Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:07 pm
Let me try to understand you by beginning with an essential question: if our species were to become extinct, would mathematical relationships still exist or are they just expressions of our imagination? Lawful fractions are mathematical relationships. Is the division of two halves of the same object possible as a mathematical relationship? To me, objective concepts cannot be confused with words unless we assert that mathematics is an illusion. If that is the case there is no complimentary relationship between science and the essence of religion since both are imagination lacking any logical basis.
I'm not really sure about what you are seeing or saying Nick. Honestly I can only speak from my own direct experience of BEING.
For me, from my perspective there is nothing outside of human language, in that there is anything known beyong language itself, because all knowledge ever does is inform the illusory nature of the conceptual world we believe to exist...the conceptual world being any ''thing'' conceived via ''thought''
Same goes for 'thoughts' there is no 'thing' without 'thought' and 'thought' is nothing...that's the illusion, but it's a real illusion which is in my opinion magic. For me, the whole of existence is one huge magic show that I know nothing about except what I imagine. I cannot give any more information than that for that's all I know.
I'm just not understanding what you mean by ''Lawful fractions are mathematical relationships''
For me, the only relationship is knowledge aka a known concept, formed via conceptual language, which is a fiction, aka imagined. What's even more bizarre, imo, is no conceptual known thing has ever been SEEN, it's only KNOWN via the imagination. What I mean by that is there is no hand on the end of your arm..these known concepts are just labels imagination puts there, aka empty ideas. We think we are seeing an idea but all we are seeing is emptiness in-formation...all that is ever seen and known are the images of the imageless consciousness. The 'hand' is a total apparition within the emptiness of consciousness...which is pretty magical to say the least...it's similar to a movie on the tv screen, there is no thing behind any image seen, there is no person or character inside the beleived characterised image ..but what the mind aka imagination puts there.
You ask ''if our species were to become extinct'' ....I'll respond by saying if we become extinct then in my logic the energy that expressed itself as and through the human mind body mechanism will transfer to another vehicle, all that will happen is a transference of energy from one form to a completely different other form, or maybe appear as a similar form, who knows?...does nature ever repeat exactly ? I doubt it.
Nick_A wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 8:07 pmI cannot believe I am God. Simone Weil explains why. Have you experienced anything differently?
We can only know one thing about God - that he is what we are not. Our wretchedness alone is an image of this. The more we contemplate it, the more we contemplate him.
The God idea can be interpreted many many many different ways...(Many of the ONE) hence the multitude of religions....but ultimately it's still a concept no concept is knowing because a concept doesn't have a mind to know...the concept is already known within the mind which is unknowable. I know that sounds rather complicated but it's actually quite easy to grasp once we let go of all conceptual ideas about anything and just BE in what's actually HERE.
For me, from my direct experience God is Nothingness and Nothingness is the same as EVERYTHING.
But it'll be difference for each of us because we can only speak from our own unique direct expreriences.
When people speak of being made in the image of God...for me, that means we are the conceived conceptual imageless image) aka (duality) of the imageless consciousness aka (non-dual self) we already ARE ..We can be dual (two) and non-dual (One) at the same time. . and it's not even like we can be that...We are ABSOLUTELY that.
There is nothing really wretched about that, because that's just more separation, it's just fictional story, imagination. What we are and always will be is PURE PRISTINE EVER SHINING BRILLIANT INTELLIGENT INFINITE AWARENESS.
complimentary relationship between science and the essence of religion since both are imagination lacking any logical basis
Nothing wrong with imagination, because without it, you wouldn't even exist at all. YOU first have to exist to even be aware of yourself existing in the first place, and that is why there can only be God... God is the first the last and everything in between, you are THIS absolute source right here and now.
Everything is within you (source) there is nothing outside of Source but more Source. You are Infinity Now.
But this is just my opinion Nick.
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