Walker wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:51 pm
Land of the free, home of the brave. Learn it, live it, love it.
THE most incarcerated population PER CAPITA on the planet.
Land of hypocrisy, home of the hollywood-machine false bravery. You lived it, you are all brain washed by it, of course you love it because your destiny is idiocracy.
Walker wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:51 pm
However, that's the wrong question. It's a tired old path, old horse. Corona corona is new and fresh.
Here's three right questions.
1. What demographic exhibits co-morbidities?
2. Why the need to rig the game?
3. What is the evidence for rigging the game?
Go forth and answer them, empirically or rationally, spread your light of wisdom upon the world.
Well, you spout as much logic and rationale as a brussel sprout.
What R U actually talking about - rigging the game? You think the US might have been framed here? - fuk - making of another hollywood blockbuster.
...US really seem to blur the lines between what is real and what is bollocks. WWE for example - really - WTF!! Grown men watch that shit over there!
Lacewing wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:00 am
I don't understand why some people seem to think that focusing on certain supposed numbers/measurements (such as comparisons to flu deaths) is somehow applicable for "putting it all in perspective", when it is obvious that there are so many additional and significant and far-reaching aspects to consider.
Is it that such people are trying to downplay/control reality by utilizing a limited view that they think they can wrap their heads around?
People tend towards denial when the shit hits the fan.
Per Wikipedia, mortality rate is deaths per thousand of the population per year. General mortality Is number of deaths from all causes per thousand population (of entire population) per year. Covid 19 mortality rate is deaths per thousand of at risk population (entire population) per year.
commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:50 pm
Per Wikipedia, mortality rate is deaths per thousand of the population per year. General mortality Is number of deaths from all causes per thousand population (of entire population) per year. Covid 19 mortality rate is deaths per thousand of at risk population (entire population) per year.
The problem with the above metric is the resolution. If it's an "annual metric" - the cumulative averages only updated once a year - this lies to you because you have no idea about what's happening at any given point-in-time. How were those deaths distributed over the 12 months? Over the 52 weeks? Over the 365 days? Averages are terrible metrics when you are working with high variances.
If 0 people died between January and November, but 1200 people died in December, the average is still 100 per month.
The scariest graph you will see is the one which measures "daily causes of death" - COVID wasn't even on the graph in USA a month ago. It's now No. 1. Even above heart disease.
commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 1:50 pm
Per Wikipedia, mortality rate is deaths per thousand of the population per year. General mortality Is number of deaths from all causes per thousand population (of entire population) per year. Covid 19 mortality rate is deaths per thousand of at risk population (entire population) per year.
The problem with the above metric is the resolution. If it's an "annual metric" - the cumulative averages only updated once a year - this lies to you because you have no idea about what's happening at any given point-in-time. How were those deaths distributed over the 12 months? Over the 52 weeks? Over the 365 days? Averages are terrible metrics when you are working with high variances.
If 0 people died between January and November, but 1200 people died in December, the average is still 100 per month.
Agreed, what is measured is not helpful at the acute level. It is, however, how mortality rate is defined and how it is calculated. I suspect that the media modifies the metric to reflect a snapshot of the rate on a daily basis.
commonsense wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 2:47 pm
Agreed, what is measured is not helpful at the acute level. It is, however, how mortality rate is defined and how it is calculated. I suspect that the media modifies the metric to reflect a snapshot of the rate on a daily basis.
The definitions don't matter - make your own metric. Count the bodies in near-real time e.g at the highest resolution metric you have.
That is the only thing which gives you an idea on what's happening "on the ground".
Last week's metrics don't matter when you are dealing with exponential growth, and today's metrics are probably under-estimated due to inadequate testing/tracking.
Thanks, HQ, for putting the mortality rate into perspective.
That's not the mortality rate for a disease though. By the same analysis AIDS had a mortality rate of nought point nought nough nought something. You should be able to see a problem with Henry's methodology.
The mortality rate for a disease is disease/population expressed per one thousand individuals.
That's the actuarial statistic for calculating life insurance premiums, and you left out the time period in which it is expressed. You and Henry are comparing it to the Fatality Rate of the disease used for medics to worry about stopping people from living and dying.
If you guys think that puts anything into perspective, then consider this perspective. That comforting sounding 0.000000 whatever rate of deaths is enough to overload the health services of entire developed nations and start killing the doctors and nurses who are trying to keep you all alive. It is enough carnage for mortuaries in major cities to overflow into ice rinks, and most people haven't had the disease yet. You're welcome.
And the US needs to remove its cruel, unfair, despicable, war-provoking sanctions on Iran. With a bit of luck we might end up with a world that no longer tolerates America's petty bullying of the rest of the planet.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:40 pm
And the US needs to remove its cruel, unfair, despicable, war-provoking sanctions on Iran. With a bit of luck we might end up with a world that no longer tolerates America's petty bullying of the rest of the planet.
Do you want to say something about Iran’s total cases or number of deaths?
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:40 pm
And the US needs to remove its cruel, unfair, despicable, war-provoking sanctions on Iran. With a bit of luck we might end up with a world that no longer tolerates America's petty bullying of the rest of the planet.
Do you want to say something about Iran’s total cases or number of deaths?
Why do you ask? It appears to be doing worse than the US, and having to struggle with the US' vindictive sanctions at the same time is just vile and nasty.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:40 pm
And the US needs to remove its cruel, unfair, despicable, war-provoking sanctions on Iran. With a bit of luck we might end up with a world that no longer tolerates America's petty bullying of the rest of the planet.
Do you want to say something about Iran’s total cases or number of deaths?
Why do you ask? It appears to be doing worse than the US, and having to struggle with the US' vindictive sanctions at the same time is just vile and nasty.
So you’re saying that the vindictive sanctions make it more difficult for Iran to survive the pandemic. I can certainly agree to that. Surely there are other examples of US bullying making life harder for citizens of nations around the world. Care to comment on a few?
