Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:09 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:14 am
Peter Holmes wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:06 am
Here is VA's claim:
'...everything that was, is and will be the case in the universe CANNOT exist independently of the human conditions.'
VA thinks this justifies the claim that morality is objective - that there are moral facts. Perhaps this is the argument:
All facts - all features of reality - depend on humans.
So if humans say something is the case, then it is the case.
So if humans say an action is morally right or wrong, then it is morally right or wrong.
Therefore, there are moral facts and morality is objective.
I think the big flaw in this argument is the unstated claim that what we call truth, facts and objectivity are not what we say they are.
Big flaw??
You are so ignorant you had been infected with the malignant virus from the bastardized philosophies of the logical positivists and classical analytic philosophers.
I believe there something 'mystical' in the sense you view what is 'facts' [this is why I will avoid this term for the time being].
I would like to trash this out to get to the bottom of the issue.
If what we call truth, facts and objectivity are not what we say they are - what are they? And how do you know what they are?
You tell me what they really are? and what are they really?
Give me some examples to prove your point.
According to Russell [upon very deep reflection], perhaps there is not table at all?
That is because you are
never acquainted with the supposedly real table.
What you are directly
acquainted with are only the sense data transmitted [cognized upside down] from the supposedly real table.
As such there are a lot of things and processes going on between how you know the table and the supposedly real table.
At best you are only speculating and assuming there is a supposedly real table, thus you are begging the question.
It is very possible there is no real supposedly real table.
This is why there are Philosophers, Physicists, neuroscientists, neuro-psychologists who agree with these thesis;
Humans are the Co-Creator of Reality They are In [2]
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=32476
Your brain hallucinates your conscious reality
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=25316
Do you have any counter arguments to the above?
I anticipate you will merely brushed the above off with noises and no counter arguments, prove me wrong.