Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:39 pm
Age wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 11:34 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:03 pm
And what is the universal form of space and matter?
What do you mean by 'universal form'?
'Matter' is 'that thing', which can be seen, physically.
'Space' is 'that distance' between and around those physically seen 'things', which cannot be seen with the physical eyes.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:03 pm
Last time I checked all matter is shaped through form and all forms occur through space,
What is 'space' and what is the form of 'space', EXACTLY?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 24, 2023 7:03 pm
all space is grounded in the simple point and the simple point is formless.
What does the 'grounded' word here mean and refer to, EXACTLY?
What do you mean by the use of the words 'simple point', EXACTLY?
you appear to be just words in a way, which you think would back up and support what you ALREADY BELIEVE IS IRREFUTABLY TRUE, RIGHT, and CORRECT, but which, when DELVED INTO and LOOKED AT, FULLY, might SHOW and PROVE otherwise.
And, we will NEVER KNOW until you CLARIFY and EXPLAIN your VIEWS here, FULLY.
1. How can a thing exist without form considering a thing must relate and this relation requires contrast (thus form)?
WHOEVER even thought this, let alone ALLUDED TO 'it' or even MENTIONED 'it'?
NOT 'me'. So, WHY ask 'me' this QUESTION?
'you' REALLY DO NEED to START TO LEARN to READ and COMPREHEND the ACTUAL WORDS that 'I' SAY to 'you'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:39 pm
2. If space is "a distance" then it is a thing as it has form.
OF COURSE, did absolutely ANY one here SAY OTHERWISE?
If yes, then WHO, EXACTLY?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:39 pm
Under these terms space is a thing between things and all we have are things thus thing loses its meaning.
OF COURSE 'space' IS A 'thing'. WHY would ANY one think or PRESUME otherwise. Even 'nothing' IS A 'thing'. 'It' IS the 'thing', which is KNOWN AS and CALLED 'nothing'.
As for your Truly IDIOTIC, RIDICULOUS, ABSURD, STUPID, ILLOGICAL, and NONSENSICAL CLAIM that; 'all we have are 'things', and, 'therefore 'thing' loses its 'meaning', then this speaks for itself.
The 'meaning' of ANY and EVERY 'thing' is GIVEN BY 'you', human beings. So, ONLY when there is NO 'thing', like 'you', human beings, PROVIDING 'meaning' FOR 'things', then, and ONLY then, 'things' lose 'their meaning'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:39 pm
3. Space is a contradiction as it is a boundary which divides but this boundary which divides divides space as one boundary exists through another.
False, Wrong, AND Incorrect, AGAIN.
But this is just BECAUSE 'you' are MAKING ASSUMPTIONS and JUMPING TO CONCLUSIONS, BEFORE 'you' SEEK OUT and OBTAIN ACTUAL CLARITY, FIRST.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:39 pm
Thus space is dividing space as space (this will have to be reread a few times to understand it).
The DISTANCE BETWEEN and AROUND 'physical matter/things' IS NOT so-called 'dividing itself', and to ASSUME that 'this' is HAPPENING is just FURTHER PROOF of HOW people will 'TRY TO' SAY just about ANY 'thing' while 'TRYING TO' back up and support the BELIEFS, which they are CURRENTLY HOLDING to be true.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:39 pm
Space is empty of meaning.
The ONLY "thing' EMPTY OF 'meaning' here IS the, literally, the SPACE WITHIN 'that head'.
I suggest LOOKING IN a dictionary, FINDING the word 'space', CHOOSING one of the MANY DIFFERENT 'definitions' and 'meanings', and then FILLING 'that space', WITHING 'that head', WITH ACTUAL 'meaning'.
It IS, after all, literally, ONLY through 'meaning' HOW one MAKES SENSE OF and UNDERSTANDS 'the world', and 'the Universe, in which they have FOUND "them" 'self', LIVING WITH (and) IN.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:39 pm
4. What are you asking when you asking what a thing "means and refers to"?
What I am ASKING FOR IS 'your' PERSPECTIVE, literally, of 'things' here.
And, by this QUESTION here, it could appear that 'you' had NOT YET even REALLY CONSIDERED what the word 'thing', itself, EVEN MEANS or REFERS TO, EXACTLY, BEFORE.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:39 pm
What does 'meaning and reference' explain exactly?
Words, themselves, do NOT necessarily EXPLAIN ANY 'thing' AT ALL.
But what COMES WITH words are DEFINITIONS, and what 'definition' one GIVES FOR a word is completely and utter 'up to them'.
And, to me, what the words 'meaning' and 'reference', literally mean and refer to, EXACTLY, ARE:
'meaning'; what one ACTUALLY 'means' BEHIND the words that they USE. Or, because it is MUCH MORE USEFUL to NEVER USE the word being 'defined', in 'the definition', the word 'meaning' refers to the 'definition' one HAS or is PLACING onto, or behind, the words or the word one is USING.
So, in other words, WHATEVER 'definition' a person PLACES ONTO, WITH, or BEHIND 'a word' is WHAT 'meaning' IS, to me, EXACTLY.
'reference'; is a word USED to mention or allude to some 'thing' ELSE. Well, to me, anyway.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:39 pm
This is considering one thing means/refers to another thing then another thing then another thing without end.
WHEN one runs OUT OF 'words', THEN this IS 'the end'.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 31, 2023 6:39 pm
5. A dot or a zero dimensional point.
What does a so-called 'zero dimensional point' LOOK LIKE, EXACTLY?
Also, WHY do you USE numbers, but which REFERENCE NO ACTUAL 'thing'?