Re: Why there is something instead of nothing?
Posted: Thu Nov 25, 2021 5:59 pm
Do you understand the difference between necessary and possible?Age wrote: ↑Thu Nov 25, 2021 1:38 pmThis may be true, but as is sometimes said, 'actions speak much louder than words'.
What I ALSO said was, when, and IF, people SHOW interest.This is what you keep CLAIMING is true.bahman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:32 pmI should have said, "Because the universe is like this now it does not mean it could not be different."Age wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 2:09 pm
I KNOW because the Universe is like this now to does not mean it could be different.
Because the Universe is the way It IS, and works the way It does, ALWAYS NOW, this MEANS that thee Universe could NOT be DIFFERENT than what It IS, at ANY and EVERY moment of NOW.
We now just WAIT for you to PROVE this true.
And, while we WAIT for this, we will WAIT for you to just explain HOW this could even a POSSIBILITY, let alone an ACTUALITY.
For sake of this discussion, yes.VERY, VERY MUCH SO.
This is a VERY MUCH NO.
The reasons WHY I have ALREADY EXPLAINED.LOL
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You continually CLAIM that, "I am wrong", but, relatively, NEVER even ask me for CLARIFICATION in regards to what I am am ACTUALLY MEANING.
LOOK, HOW could you KNOW that "I am wrong" in regards to HOW YOUR DEFINITIONS for the words 'possible' AND 'actual' could AND do FURTHER PROOF that what I have been saying and claiming IS True, when you do NOT YET EVEN FULLY KNOW what I am TALKING ABOUT?WHAT is the meaning of possibility?bahman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:32 pmNo. That is the meaning of possibility.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pm
I have read YOUR opening post here AGAIN. I STILL WONDER WHY you AGREE that there is NOT 'something', but STILL question, "Why is there something instead of nothing"?
You asking, "Could you possibly exist not?" is NONSENSICAL as when you asked, "Why there is something instead of nothing?"
Look, a lot of your views are just plain False, Wrong, and/or Incorrect to begin with, let alone 'trying to' decipher what your words are saying or asking in "english".
If, here, you are asking me, 'Could you possibly exist, if your parents did not decide to have you?' Then the answer is Yes.
But this will only DETRACT from the point in which you are 'trying to' make here, correct?
When you say things like, "That is the meaning of possibility", then I have absolutely NO idea what the 'that' word is referring to, EXACTLY?
And, I am NOT going to start ASSUMING things, in case I make a mistake. Is this UNDERSTOOD, by you?
So, your "argument" now is, because 'you' or absolutely ANY thing is a possibility, IN THE FUTURE, then this means absolutely ANY thing COULD EXIST, correct?ONCE AGAIN, this is ALL a DETRACTION from what you WERE CLAIMING. Or, I am STILL NOT UNDERSTANDING 'you'.
And, ONCE MORE, WHAT does the first 'that' in your first sentence here refer to, EXACTLY?
Also, are you AWARE that 'you' could exist if your parents did not decide to have you?If, when I CLEARLY WROTE THE WORDS, 'if a process has no end, then, obviously, THE PROCESS is unreachable' was NOT CLEAR ENOUGH, for you, that I AGREE that the end of a process with no end cannot be reached, then let us SEE if these words will make it CLEAR ENOUGH, for you - YES, I AGREE that the end of a process with NO end cannot be reached.bahman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:32 pmSo you agree that the end of a process with no end cannot be reached?Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pm
Well if a process has no end, then, obviously, THE PROCESS is unreachable.
However, if ANY one was to LOOK BACK, then what can be CLEARLY SEEN are the words that you have ACTUALLY used and written here. Which could completely contradict your claim now that you were NOT talking about humans.
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You TRULY DO make me LAUGH OUT LOUD "bahman".
OF COURSE there is NO process that STARTED, without ANY STARTING. This is just as OBVIOUS as some of your OTHER CLAIMS.
But to 'try to' relate that OBVIOUS statement and claim to; "Therefore, the Universe has a beginning", as though this 'logically followed', is about as UNSOUND as I have SEEN, from you.
LOOK, it was ALREADY VERY OBVIOUS what your BELIEFS are here, but your ATTEMPTS at 'trying to' valid those BELIEFS are only working AGAINST YOU.1. I do NOT think that nothing comes out of nothing is impossible.bahman wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 9:32 pmI should have said, "You are trapped because you think that nothing comes out of nothing is impossible and there must be nothing at the beginning.".Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 19, 2021 10:14 pm
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You could not be MORE Wrong and MORE off track and topic here ANYMORE.
I have NEVER thought that "nothing comes out of nothing", and I have NEVER thought that "there must be nothing at the beginning".
Do you EVER recall me advising that if one wants to make a CLAIM, then it would be much better for them if they had thee ACTUAL PROOF BEFORE they make the CLAIM in the first place, or that it is best if wants seeks and gains CLARITY BEFORE they make ANY ASSUMPTION, AT ALL?
If yes, then okay.
But if no, then okay.
By the way, it is you who thinks or BELIEVES that EVERY thing came from NOTHING correct?
If no, then what do you think or BELIEVE here?
2. I do NOT think that there must be nothing at the beginning.
WHERE are you getting these ASSUMPTIONS from EXACTLY?
WHAT is driving you to ASSUME such ABSURD, Wrong, and RIDICULOUS things as these?
I can think of about five DIFFERENT ways of taking this discussion now, but I will just leave this with those two CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, for you.Are you AWARE that IT IS YOU that we are WAITING FOR?Here is ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE of just HOW CLOSED the people, in these days, REALLY ARE.
They can seek absolutely NO clarity AT ALL sort, and have absolutely NO knowledge AT ALL of what 'it' IS that I am ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT, but they would STILL respond with things like, "Nonsense".BUT thee support IS HERE. You jut can NOT YET SEE 'it' BECAUSE you are completely and utterly BLINDED by your own BELIEFS and thus because you are SO CLOSED.