henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:15 am
Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:13 am
Rat poison and fire... these are the profound objective truths that you guys are keen to.
Things like fire are unambiguous, hard to ignore, they're obvious, real, true.
As for profound truths: you don't seem to believe that exists.
But you do, right? I was thinking you'd offer up something.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:15 am
it seems, to you, there are no truths at all
Of course I know these "truths" about fire and rat poison. And all sorts of other "truths" that make it possible for me to make decisions and move through this material existence. But I don't see truths as something rigid or absolute that applies to all humans exactly the same. (Spare me the example of how fire burns everyone. I'm looking further than that, Henry.)
The idea of objective truth is used for all sorts of personal claims, while dismissing the obvious explanation of subjective truth. People have different ideas of objective truth... and each insists that his objective truth is the right objective truth. What the fuck ever. Some people (like me) consider how much we humans individually perceive and influence everything we experience, believe, think, etc.
Anyone can call any of it what they will. I have no interest in arguing immovable points/positions that don't even matter (to me). It is usually easy for me to discern the truthfulness of the situations I encounter... with successful results. Anyone else's idea of truth needs to be demonstrated for me to consider it -- and usually on this forum, brainwashed claims and cartoons are the examples offered up.
henry quirk wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:15 am
Again...
I asked:
How do you define truth?
You:
In whatever way seems most honest and appropriate for the situation and the moment. It varies. Something true yesterday is not necessarily true today.
I asked for an example cuz, honestly, what you describe is nonsensical.
I'm willin' to hear you out, if you have an example to offer.
It seems rather pointless since we are on different channels. But, it's a new beautiful morning, so what the heck -- at least I can enjoy seeing if I can put it into words.
Let me preface by saying... I move through my life differently than it appears that you move through yours, Henry. I do not watch TV or read the news hardly ever anymore. I do not believe all of that noise (that's how it sounds to me), nor any certain parts of it, because I can see how much humans influence and distort everything. (That doesn't mean I don't appreciate and love humans, and see all of the good potential too.) I simply do not believe that humans know much beyond what they imagine, and what they define based on their current limitations at any given time. Yes, that includes me! And, like many, I am a well-functioning, happy human being. Experience has shown me that no particular position or perspective is needed to achieve that. However, there are definitely poisonous and distorted positions/perspectives that result in a much different life experience... which I'm not interested in, myself.
What I was referring to above in bold is that I try to tune in to each moment and situation with enough clarity (absent pre-conceived notions) to see what is right there, right then. I allow there to be many potentials to everyone and everything. I do not put them nor myself into compartments (unless I'm just playing around with it). I listen to what is said... I perceive what the message or energy is... and I interact with that. There have been people and situations in my life that were wonderful in one moment and hideous in the next. I think anything and any of us have that potential. Although I may steer clear of something or someone who is exercising their hideous nature, if I see them later... the moment is open to be perceived anew.
So in a world that I SEE as continually shifting... it makes sense (to me) that our perception/awareness of truth shifts along with that... and that's the truth I'm paying attention to. All the CLAIMS of truth by humans mean nothing if they aren't obviously demonstrated and useful in some way for dealing with the present moment. There is a great deal of information available to be perceived in each moment when background noise isn't drowning it out. And it's all continually flowing and evolving. To me, that
ongoing change is not scary -- what would be scary is being too rigid to see anything beyond the rigidity. Recognizing potential (in all directions) expands a rigid world. Denying potential, locks down the world (yet, then it's not really "known", it's just imagined and scary). No matter what words or claims or beliefs are used to ignore broader potential -- it sounds much the same to me: a self-serving manipulation for the human ego (to imagine it knows and controls).