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Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:39 amBy the way I CAN back up and support the CLAIMS I make with IRREFUTABLE PROOF.

Well if you say that, then you don't understand that outside of maths and logic, the only thing that can be proven is that experience exists. Your proof that the universe is eternal and not growing rests on your inclusion of nothing into everything. In other words, you are making a logical argument based on premises that only you agree with. That might impress a dull mind like yours, but it is utterly vacuous. All it means is that if there is a point beyond which there is no more matter or energy, there is still something, because nothing is something.

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:36 am

Age wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 9:39 amBy the way I CAN back up and support the CLAIMS I make with IRREFUTABLE PROOF.

Well if you say that, then you don't understand that outside of maths and logic,

What do 'you' UNDERSTAND about 'maths' AND 'logic', which you PRESUME that I do NOT YET UNDERSTAND?

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:36 am the only thing that can be proven is that experience exists.

Can you PROVE this statement and CLAIM of yours here?

If yes, then you just CONTRADICTED "your" 'self' AGAIN.

But if no, then that statement could be False, Wrong, or Incorrect.

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:36 am Your proof that the universe is eternal and not growing rests on your inclusion of nothing into everything.

Are you ABSOLUTELY SURE of this?

If yes, then HOW and WHY?

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:36 am In other words, you are making a logical argument based on premises that only you agree with.

REALLY?

What are those, CLAIMED, 'premises', which, SUPPOSEDLY, ONLY I agree with?

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:36 am That might impress a dull mind like yours, but it is utterly vacuous.

UNTIL you PROVIDE these SUPPOSED and ALLEGED 'premises', this CLAIM or BELIEF of yours here might all be existing in and impressing 'you' ONLY, and which might be FOUND to be Truly EMPTY, to say the least.

We will just have to WAIT, to SEE.

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:36 am All it means is that if there is a point beyond which there is no more matter or energy,

Are you talking in the temporal or spatial dimension here?

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:36 am there is still something, because nothing is something.

OBVIOUSLY.

I have CERTAINLY NEVER SAID ANY THING OTHERWISE.

Oh, and by the way, do have absolutely ANY way of explaining HOW, logically, ALL or ANY matter or energy could come from absolutely NO thing AT ALL?

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:54 am

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:36 amthe only thing that can be proven is that experience exists.

Can you PROVE this statement and CLAIM of yours here?

I don't have to. If you are reading this, that is all the proof that you need that experience exists. You can't prove anything else though. For example, it is conceivable that you are completely mental and that I am just a figment of your deluded mind. It's a possibility that you should take seriously, because I am fairly certain that it is at least partly true.

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:19 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:54 am

uwot wrote: ↑Mon Jun 20, 2022 11:36 amthe only thing that can be proven is that experience exists.

Can you PROVE this statement and CLAIM of yours here?

I don't have to.

OF COURSE NOT, BECAUSE you BELIEVE that it is ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:19 pm If you are reading this, that is all the proof that you need that experience exists.

This has NEVER been in DISPUTE nor in QUESTION here, NEITHER.

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:19 pm You can't prove anything else though.

Yes I CAN.

But you seem to have FORGOTTEN what we DISCUSSED, PREVIOUSLY.

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:19 pm For example, it is conceivable that you are completely mental and that I am just a figment of your deluded mind.

What IS 'your mind'? BEFORE we move on to LOOKING AT and DISCUSSING 'your DELUDED mind'.

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:19 pm It's a possibility that you should take seriously, because I am fairly certain that it is at least partly true.

ONCE AGAIN, you have appear to have completely FORGOTTEN what we have ALREADY DISCUSSED. And, you appear to have COMPLETELY and UTTERLY MISSED the POINT and/or MISUNDERSTOOD what I was and am POINTING OUT and SHOWING here.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:40 pm

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:19 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:54 amCan you PROVE this statement and CLAIM of yours here?

I don't have to.

OF COURSE NOT, BECAUSE you BELIEVE that it is ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?

Correct. That's because it is. Try saying 'Experience exists' without it being true.

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:47 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:40 pm

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 12:19 pmI don't have to.

OF COURSE NOT, BECAUSE you BELIEVE that it is ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?

Correct. That's because it is. Try saying 'Experience exists' without it being true.

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You are STILL MISSING the WHOLE POINT here.

WHEN will you EVER LEARN?

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:59 pmYou are STILL MISSING the WHOLE POINT here.

No Age, you don't understand the point. You have never proven anything, and you never will. We human beings already know everything that can be proven; we have known it for at least two and a half millennia. You don't understand that because you are ignorant and mental.

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:59 pm

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:47 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:40 pmOF COURSE NOT, BECAUSE you BELIEVE that it is ABSOLUTELY and IRREFUTABLY TRUE, correct?

Correct. That's because it is. Try saying 'Experience exists' without it being true.

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You are STILL MISSING the WHOLE POINT here.

WHEN will you EVER LEARN?

Yes, uwot,...

...when will you ever learn?:

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seeds wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:48 pmYes, uwot,...

...when will you ever learn?:

Don't worry seeds, there's madness in my method.

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:34 am

seeds wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:48 pmYes, uwot,...

...when will you ever learn?:

Don't worry seeds, there's madness in my method.

https://youtu.be/SOJSM46nWwo

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:40 pm

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:34 amDon't worry seeds, there's madness in my method.

https://youtu.be/SOJSM46nWwo

Ah Madness. That's the first gig I took my daughters to.

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:05 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:40 pm

uwot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 22, 2022 8:34 amDon't worry seeds, there's madness in my method.

https://youtu.be/SOJSM46nWwo

Ah Madness. That's the first gig I took my daughters to.

Geez, it couldn't have been in the 80s! I saw them I think around 2006ish over here. They were all a bit larger, especially Suggs!

uwot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 2:20 pm

Age wrote: ↑Tue Jun 21, 2022 1:59 pmYou are STILL MISSING the WHOLE POINT here.

No Age, you don't understand the point. You have never proven anything, and you never will. We human beings already know everything that can be proven; we have known it for at least two and a half millennia. You don't understand that because you are ignorant and mental.

LOL

AGAIN, you are STILL MISSING the WHOLE POINT here.

Although you BELIEVE OTHERWISE, correct?

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:47 amAGAIN, you are STILL MISSING the WHOLE POINT here.

LOL

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:47 amAlthough you BELIEVE OTHERWISE, correct?

LOL

uwot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:29 am

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:47 amAGAIN, you are STILL MISSING the WHOLE POINT here.

LOL

Age wrote: ↑Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:47 amAlthough you BELIEVE OTHERWISE, correct?

LOL

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It's correct, and right, and proper, to always respect the trinity motherfucker!