henry quirk wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 7:21 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:38 pm
All men have the inalienable right to shoot one another. I hold this truth to be self-evident.
No, each man has an inalienable right to his, and no other's, life, liberty, and property.
Takin' another's life -- with fist, knife, club, gun, etc. -- outside of self-defense or defense of another is wrong.
It doesn't matter whether you personally say it's ''wrong'' to take another persons life. Your personal opinion does not matter and will not prevent intentional killing from happening. You can hold to the opinion that it's ''wrong'' to kill another, but that's not going to change anything, as killing others is still going to happen whether you say it's wrong or not, your opinion that it is WRONG has absolutely zero power to stop mans intention to kill another...because intention is always the rider of the will which is a natural part of human nature. Humans KNOW what causing death upon another is, whereas animals do not have that conceptual understanding that is unique to humans. Man does not want to die, and that is the only reason he will say to himself that it is wrong to kill another, because HE knows himself that he does not want to die....no life wants to die, it will always try to stay alive even if that means killing something else just to stay alive...so of course it would be seen as wrong to him to kill another, because it's like he has killed himself, and he doesn't want to do that.
For example: it might be seen by you personally that the deliberate act of bombing buildings in the ukraine where innocent men, women and children live in what they believe is their safe haven... is WRONG.
However, in a scenario like that, deaths are going to be unavoidable in the event of such a deliberate attack. Even if they the people were given plenty of time to evacuate, they have been circumstances where the evacuees have been killed by bombs even during the actual process of trying to escape. Just saying it's wrong means nothing to the powers that be who order these killing sprees.
We live in a reality where no one is held accountable for the killing sprees that are always rampant where ever there is a mind and intention to act them out....just saying it's wrong to kill another except as an act of self-defense is not going to change the way the world actually works. That's like saying, Putin orders the release of bombs to rain down on a country that was just minding it's own business where people were just trying to live their lives like everyone else in the world...but according to Putin's logic, the order to bomb the country was an act of self-defense, so it wasn't wrong to bomb the country knowing many lifes would potentially be killed in the process....but that's ok, there is nothing wrong with countries defending themselves against other countries being a threat to their own livelihoods... it's all just so messed up when we start saying the intentional actions of humanity upon itself is wrong.
Humans will always act with intent, there is no way to avoid this, if you are human then you are an intentional being, because you have knowledge, and knowledge is power. Your opinion about whether is wrong to act with intent is futile and pointless, because just saying it's wrong will not change intent. Intent is going to be activated whether it's wrong or not and nothing will ever change intents intentions.
In summary: if there is a self to defend as in the idea of self-defence...then that self will never be free, it will always be on the defensive of that self.
(Free) is such a useless and pointless silly word...it it a false junk word invented by humans, that means absolutely nothing.
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