Re: Buried Memories
Posted: Tue Jul 11, 2023 11:25 am
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Could well be then, in that case. Mine are fairly obvious, I think, that is, the ones about losing things.
Seriously?Harbal wrote: βMon Jul 10, 2023 1:57 pmWhen I was very young I was quite badly bitten by my best friendβs pet tortoise, and it left me with a lifelong phobia of anything that lives in a shell. Some things that happen to us in childhood can stay with us all our lives, and significantly influence our adult personalities and behaviour. In some instances of childhood trauma, it seems we can somehow block the incident from our conscious memory, but it stays buried deep in our psyche, and can manifest in all sorts of strange ways in later life. I often wonder what might have happened to me when I was a child, that I cannot remember.
There are many strange people posting on this forum, and I thought it might be interesting to ask if any of them could account for it.
You are going to have to work that out for yourself.Wizard22 wrote: βWed Jul 12, 2023 9:59 amSeriously?Harbal wrote: βMon Jul 10, 2023 1:57 pmWhen I was very young I was quite badly bitten by my best friendβs pet tortoise, and it left me with a lifelong phobia of anything that lives in a shell. Some things that happen to us in childhood can stay with us all our lives, and significantly influence our adult personalities and behaviour. In some instances of childhood trauma, it seems we can somehow block the incident from our conscious memory, but it stays buried deep in our psyche, and can manifest in all sorts of strange ways in later life. I often wonder what might have happened to me when I was a child, that I cannot remember.
There are many strange people posting on this forum, and I thought it might be interesting to ask if any of them could account for it.
Itβs been said that the military attracts youth from dysfunctional families. Does philosophy, or this forum, attract strange people more than other kinds?
As I came to midlife, I recalled many instances in my youth or even infancy when I witnessed trauma or experienced a deeply impactful event.Harbal wrote: βMon Jul 10, 2023 1:57 pmWhen I was very young I was quite badly bitten by my best friendβs pet tortoise, and it left me with a lifelong phobia of anything that lives in a shell. Some things that happen to us in childhood can stay with us all our lives, and significantly influence our adult personalities and behaviour. In some instances of childhood trauma, it seems we can somehow block the incident from our conscious memory, but it stays buried deep in our psyche, and can manifest in all sorts of strange ways in later life. I often wonder what might have happened to me when I was a child, that I cannot remember.
There are many strange people posting on this forum, and I thought it might be interesting to ask if any of them could account for it.
No moderation. The percentages are different from The Philosophy Forum where moderation is much more active.commonsense wrote: βWed Jul 12, 2023 1:38 pmItβs been said that the military attracts youth from dysfunctional families. Does philosophy, or this forum, attract strange people more than other kinds?
I am probably one of the most normal people posting on the forum, as you know, but I have a rational phobia (contradiction oui) of snakes.Harbal wrote: βMon Jul 10, 2023 1:57 pm When I was very young I was quite badly bitten by my best friendβs pet tortoise, and it left me with a lifelong phobia of anything that lives in a shell. Some things that happen to us in childhood can stay with us all our lives, and significantly influence our adult personalities and behaviour. In some instances of childhood trauma, it seems we can somehow block the incident from our conscious memory, but it stays buried deep in our psyche, and can manifest in all sorts of strange ways in later life. I often wonder what might have happened to me when I was a child, that I cannot remember.
There are many strange people posting on this forum, and I thought it might be interesting to ask if any of them could account for it.
Maybe if you NAME WHO you refer to as the 'strange people' here, THEN 'we' can HELP you in what you are looking FOR here.Harbal wrote: βMon Jul 10, 2023 1:57 pm When I was very young I was quite badly bitten by my best friendβs pet tortoise, and it left me with a lifelong phobia of anything that lives in a shell. Some things that happen to us in childhood can stay with us all our lives, and significantly influence our adult personalities and behaviour. In some instances of childhood trauma, it seems we can somehow block the incident from our conscious memory, but it stays buried deep in our psyche, and can manifest in all sorts of strange ways in later life. I often wonder what might have happened to me when I was a child, that I cannot remember.
There are many strange people posting on this forum, and I thought it might be interesting to ask if any of them could account for it.
AND, 'you' STILL DO 'now', when you wrote this.Iwannaplato wrote: βTue Jul 11, 2023 9:20 amAnd I noticed that IC doubts that you are actually an atheist, which makes the whole discussion rather funny.Harbal wrote: βTue Jul 11, 2023 8:47 am That sounds interesting; do you want to say some more about it? I have come to doubt that people actually do believe some of the things they think they believe. God, for example; I have a suspicion that no one really does, deep down, believe in God. Don't ask what I mean by, "deep down".
I can assert with some certainty that I have had official beliefs that were, in the main, not my belief.
I'm trying to think of an example I feel OK about sharing.
While I am mulling, let me jump to an abstract third person example:
I think we have all met people who assert they are not sexist, or not racist, or are a middle class person who thinks the proletariat are more apt leaders or say they are optimistic or trust people,
but we observe their behavior and they treat women or other races disrespectfully or whine about how hopeless it all is.
We question they self-assessment around what belief they actually have.
Their belief might be something they want to have or think they should have, but actually they act like they have, and presumably unconsciously have, an opposed guiding belief.
It doesn't have to be binary. If we notice even a strong contradictory pattern of behavior this doesn't mean they only have a belief opposed to their official belief. It can be a mix. But I think most of us have encountered people where at the very least they ALSO believe something negative about women, latinos, X, which doesn't fit with their official position.
And even many theists for example will admit to doubt. And many saints have dark night's of the soul where doubt predominates, in fact certainly there is no God or hope dominates. I think the whole notion of simple assertions about continuous belief are pretty silly in situ.
OK, for me. I suppose I believed that I knew myself very well, when I was in my 20s and early 30s.
LOL
Is 'it' REALLY true?
EXACTLY like, and the SAME, as 'your assessment of the situation' 'now', in the days when this is being written, IS INCORRECT, as well.Iwannaplato wrote: βTue Jul 11, 2023 9:20 am IOW not only was I incorrect in my assessment of the situation.
Can you SEE how you are DOING the EXACT SAME 'thing' 'now', when this is being written, or you STILL can NOT RECOGNIZE 'this'?Iwannaplato wrote: βTue Jul 11, 2023 9:20 am I can see how much I avoided, very effectively, looking at certain patterns in my life, and also avoided certain situations.
What can be CLEARLY SEEN here and OBSERVED is this one STILL manages to SLIP IN the 'intelligent' word, ABOUT ''itself'', without COMPLETELY 'criticizing' ''itself", 'lowering', NOR the 'putting of "itself" down' to a standard that 'it' does NOT want to LOOK AT, NOR DISCUSS.Iwannaplato wrote: βTue Jul 11, 2023 9:20 am IOW there was a pattern of intellegent (if not wise) avoidance of situations and exploration that allowed me to keep my official belief about myself.
Which 'you' OBVIOUSLY STILL HAVE.Iwannaplato wrote: βTue Jul 11, 2023 9:20 am So, a part of me knew that this belief was very fragile and guided a clever avoidance of anything that might reveal this fragility and an underlying terror and belief that I was a mess and had huge gaps in self-knowledge.
And, what WILL COME-TO-LIGHT is absolutely NOTHING will ACTUALLY BE SHARED. Other than, OF COURSE, MORE of these types of HUMILIATION and of RIDICULE OF "others" who do NOT HAVE, HOLD, NOR SHARE the SAME BELIEFS that this one DOES HAVE.Iwannaplato wrote: βTue Jul 11, 2023 9:20 am A bit vague and unfortunatel a very broad assessment, but I think you will get the idea. I'll try to think of something more concrete, like I believed in ghosts, say, and realists I didn't. Or didn't believe in ghosts but really I did.
I am curios as to if you were born visually blind or did that come about later on in your life?Maia wrote: βTue Jul 11, 2023 9:37 am Going into more detail, since this is an interesting area of exploration, my claustrophobia, although I hesitate to use that word as it's not particularly pronounced in everyday life, also manifests in dreams. I sometimes have dreams about being inside tunnels, for example. There's usually some sort of gap, too, that I have to climb across, or rather down, since it's always descending. The actual dreams vary in detail, but the feeling is always the same, and in that sense, they are recurring. There's always something odd about the angles too, either in the shape of the enclosed space itself, or in the configuration of the gap and how I have to climb over it. That's actually quite difficult to explain and the layout is not usually something that could exist in the real world.
I wouldn't call these dreams nightmares, though. I don't really have nightmares, in the sense of a dream that actually scares me. They do, of course, make me feel uneasy, and tend to come in bursts, too. I might go for ages without having one then a few come along in quick succession. This is also true of dreams in general.
I've had these types of dreams for as long as I can remember, so it's always possible that they derive from some specific incident from childhood that I've completely forgotten about.
I don't really want to point out individuals who need to account for themselves, because I don't think being identified and named as being odd would put them in the right frame of mind to come and explain the reason for it. So, Age, I don't feel able to point you out, but if you want to point yourself out, I think many of us would be interested to hear what you have to tell us.Age wrote: βMon Jul 17, 2023 7:49 am
By the way, IF 'you' REALLY DO want "others" to ACCOUNT for WHY 'they' ARE 'strange', to 'you', 'you' HAVE TO FIRST POINT or SINGLE 'them' OUT, and then EXPLAIN WHY 'they' seem or ARE 'strange', TO 'you'. And, by the way, I would be MORE THAN WELCOME to be the FIRST one 'you' POINT OUT and EXPLAIN WHY 'I' AM STRANGE, TO 'you'.
Either you BELIEVE God exists or DISBELIEVE God exists, or neither.Harbal wrote: βTue Jul 11, 2023 10:10 amI hope he's wrong.Iwannaplato wrote: βTue Jul 11, 2023 9:20 amAnd I noticed that IC doubts that you are actually an atheist, which makes the whole discussion rather funny.Harbal wrote: βTue Jul 11, 2023 8:47 am That sounds interesting; do you want to say some more about it? I have come to doubt that people actually do believe some of the things they think they believe. God, for example; I have a suspicion that no one really does, deep down, believe in God. Don't ask what I mean by, "deep down".
AND, EVERY one in adulthood would SAY, 'I ONCE BELIEVED 'things' that I do NOT now'.Harbal wrote: βTue Jul 11, 2023 10:10 amI think I do get the idea, because it chimes with my own experience.OK, for me. I suppose I believed that I knew myself very well, when I was in my 20s and early 30s. I knew what my problems were and what my needs were. Not only was this not true. IOW not only was I incorrect in my assessment of the situation. I can see how much I avoided, very effectively, looking at certain patterns in my life, and also avoided certain situations. IOW there was a pattern of intellegent (if not wise) avoidance of situations and exploration that allowed me to keep my official belief about myself. So, a part of me knew that this belief was very fragile and guided a clever avoidance of anything that might reveal this fragility and an underlying terror and belief that I was a mess and had huge gaps in self-knowledge.
A bit vague and unfortunatel a very broad assessment, but I think you will get the idea.
What IS 'the half' that have so far figured out?Harbal wrote: βTue Jul 11, 2023 10:20 amI have dreams where I am late and have a lot to do, and I have to be somewhere but can't find my vehicle, which is usually a truck -I used to drive for a living- and I'm just floundering about, getting nowhere. Like you say, not nightmares, but they leave me feeling uncomfortable. I feel those dreams are telling me something about myself, but I can only half figure out what it is.Maia wrote: βTue Jul 11, 2023 9:37 am Going into more detail, since this is an interesting area of exploration, my claustrophobia, although I hesitate to use that word as it's not particularly pronounced in everyday life, also manifests in dreams. I sometimes have dreams about being inside tunnels, for example. There's usually some sort of gap, too, that I have to climb across, or rather down, since it's always descending. The actual dreams vary in detail, but the feeling is always the same, and in that sense, they are recurring. There's always something odd about the angles too, either in the shape of the enclosed space itself, or in the configuration of the gap and how I have to climb over it. That's actually quite difficult to explain and the layout is not usually something that could exist in the real world.
I wouldn't call these dreams nightmares, though. I don't really have nightmares, in the sense of a dream that actually scares me. They do, of course, make me feel uneasy, and tend to come in bursts, too. I might go for ages without having one then a few come along in quick succession. This is also true of dreams in general.
I've had these types of dreams for as long as I can remember, so it's always possible that they derive from some specific incident from childhood that I've completely forgotten about.
Maybe not, but the reason WHY 'you' ARE what 'you' ARE 'now' IS SOLELY BECAUSE of 'your' 'past experiences' or incidents.