We have this erroneous belief that our ancestors were drooling idiots!owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If God is, as claimed in the East: Existence, Consciousness, Bliss then our existence is borrowed from that. We have existence, we are conscious and although not blissful we have sensation as a substitute.
If there is no God then everything is something from nothing and that may defy logic. A God that is all that exists, conscious of all of that exists and blissful in that existence may also defy logic.
The laws of nature position us between good and bad choices. If we choose the good we could, if not be blissful, at least suffer less. Even so the laws of nature limit and affect us and we may feel and suffer from the impact of the impropriety of others and possibly the sins of our fathers as well. Choosing what is best for all plus a stoic attitude to the ‘slings and arrows of fortune’ would appear to be the better choice.
Whether God exists or not we are here and have no choice but to figure it out. Great progress has been made in revealing the nature of the external world. The inner world is still a mystery.
Trying to solve the problem intellectually through logic is an interesting exercise but ultimately a futile one as infinity does not submit to limitation and the intellect is limited. If consciousness is all: infinite, our share of it through the intellect is finite. Not even quantum computing would help as the question of what reality is does not require a greater intellect. It requires an expansion of consciousness.
God and the Philosophers
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Agent Smith wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:14 amSome of us have this erroneous belief that our stone-age ancestors were drooling idiots!owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If God is, as claimed in the East: Existence, Consciousness, Bliss then our existence is borrowed from that. We have existence, we are conscious and although not blissful we have sensation as a substitute.
If there is no God then everything is something from nothing and that may defy logic. A God that is all that exists, conscious of all of that exists and blissful in that existence may also defy logic.
The laws of nature position us between good and bad choices. If we choose the good we could, if not be blissful, at least suffer less. Even so the laws of nature limit and affect us and we may feel and suffer from the impact of the impropriety of others and possibly the sins of our fathers as well. Choosing what is best for all plus a stoic attitude to the ‘slings and arrows of fortune’ would appear to be the better choice.
Whether God exists or not we are here and have no choice but to figure it out. Great progress has been made in revealing the nature of the external world. The inner world is still a mystery.
Trying to solve the problem intellectually through logic is an interesting exercise but ultimately a futile one as infinity does not submit to limitation and the intellect is limited. If consciousness is all: infinite, our share of it through the intellect is finite. Not even quantum computing would help as the question of what reality is does not require a greater intellect. It requires an expansion of consciousness.
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Agent Smith wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:14 amWe have this erroneous belief that our ancestors were drooling idiots!owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If God is, as claimed in the East: Existence, Consciousness, Bliss then our existence is borrowed from that. We have existence, we are conscious and although not blissful we have sensation as a substitute.
If there is no God then everything is something from nothing and that may defy logic. A God that is all that exists, conscious of all of that exists and blissful in that existence may also defy logic.
The laws of nature position us between good and bad choices. If we choose the good we could, if not be blissful, at least suffer less. Even so the laws of nature limit and affect us and we may feel and suffer from the impact of the impropriety of others and possibly the sins of our fathers as well. Choosing what is best for all plus a stoic attitude to the ‘slings and arrows of fortune’ would appear to be the better choice.
Whether God exists or not we are here and have no choice but to figure it out. Great progress has been made in revealing the nature of the external world. The inner world is still a mystery.
Trying to solve the problem intellectually through logic is an interesting exercise but ultimately a futile one as infinity does not submit to limitation and the intellect is limited. If consciousness is all: infinite, our share of it through the intellect is finite. Not even quantum computing would help as the question of what reality is does not require a greater intellect. It requires an expansion of consciousness.
True. And consciousness evolved out of matter.
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Another "misconception" or error some might say.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 4:37 pmAgent Smith wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:14 amWe have this erroneous belief that our ancestors were drooling idiots!owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If God is, as claimed in the East: Existence, Consciousness, Bliss then our existence is borrowed from that. We have existence, we are conscious and although not blissful we have sensation as a substitute.
If there is no God then everything is something from nothing and that may defy logic. A God that is all that exists, conscious of all of that exists and blissful in that existence may also defy logic.
The laws of nature position us between good and bad choices. If we choose the good we could, if not be blissful, at least suffer less. Even so the laws of nature limit and affect us and we may feel and suffer from the impact of the impropriety of others and possibly the sins of our fathers as well. Choosing what is best for all plus a stoic attitude to the ‘slings and arrows of fortune’ would appear to be the better choice.
Whether God exists or not we are here and have no choice but to figure it out. Great progress has been made in revealing the nature of the external world. The inner world is still a mystery.
Trying to solve the problem intellectually through logic is an interesting exercise but ultimately a futile one as infinity does not submit to limitation and the intellect is limited. If consciousness is all: infinite, our share of it through the intellect is finite. Not even quantum computing would help as the question of what reality is does not require a greater intellect. It requires an expansion of consciousness.
True. And consciousness evolved out of matter.
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Yes. Or else matter has extraordinary powers if it evolved consciousness, in addition to creating it to be evolved in the first place. It would mean matter is more fearsome than A.I. !!!Agent Smith wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 5:58 pmAnother "misconception" or error some might say.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 4:37 pmAgent Smith wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:14 am
We have this erroneous belief that our ancestors were drooling idiots!
True. And consciousness evolved out of matter.
Re: God and the Philosophers
What do you mean by 'may' here?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If God is, as claimed in the East: Existence, Consciousness, Bliss then our existence is borrowed from that. We have existence, we are conscious and although not blissful we have sensation as a substitute.
If there is no God then everything is something from nothing and that may defy logic.
Are you able to explain HOW, in ANY way, something from nothing 'is' or even 'could be' logical?
If yes, then will you?
If no, then why not?
HOW and WHY 'may' this defy logic?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm A God that is all that exists, conscious of all of that exists and blissful in that existence may also defy logic.
Only the 'immature' 'suffer'.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm The laws of nature position us between good and bad choices. If we choose the good we could, if not be blissful, at least suffer less.
So, if you 'suffer' in ANY way, then you have just not yet matured nor grown up.
I am NOT following what the 'laws of nature' have to do with the choices one makes?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Even so the laws of nature limit and affect us and we may feel and suffer from the impact of the impropriety of others and possibly the sins of our fathers as well. Choosing what is best for all plus a stoic attitude to the ‘slings and arrows of fortune’ would appear to be the better choice.
When you say 'it' here what are you referring to, EXACTLY?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Whether God exists or not we are here and have no choice but to figure it out.
I think what will be found is that 'it' has ALREADY been figured out, but some are just not yet aware of this.
Not to all of us.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Great progress has been made in revealing the nature of the external world. The inner world is still a mystery.
When you say, 'Trying to solve the problem', here what, EXACTLY, is 'the problem'?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Trying to solve the problem intellectually through logic is an interesting exercise but ultimately a futile one as infinity does not submit to limitation and the intellect is limited.
When you learn how the Mind and the brain ACTUALLY WORK, then you will ALSO SEE HOW and WHY one does NOT have to be limited.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If consciousness is all: infinite, our share of it through the intellect is finite.
But what 'reality' is has ALREADY been worked out.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Not even quantum computing would help as the question of what reality is does not require a greater intellect. It requires an expansion of consciousness.
Re: God and the Philosophers
Who does the 'we' word refer to here, EXACTLY?Agent Smith wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:14 amWe have this erroneous belief that our ancestors were drooling idiots!owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If God is, as claimed in the East: Existence, Consciousness, Bliss then our existence is borrowed from that. We have existence, we are conscious and although not blissful we have sensation as a substitute.
If there is no God then everything is something from nothing and that may defy logic. A God that is all that exists, conscious of all of that exists and blissful in that existence may also defy logic.
The laws of nature position us between good and bad choices. If we choose the good we could, if not be blissful, at least suffer less. Even so the laws of nature limit and affect us and we may feel and suffer from the impact of the impropriety of others and possibly the sins of our fathers as well. Choosing what is best for all plus a stoic attitude to the ‘slings and arrows of fortune’ would appear to be the better choice.
Whether God exists or not we are here and have no choice but to figure it out. Great progress has been made in revealing the nature of the external world. The inner world is still a mystery.
Trying to solve the problem intellectually through logic is an interesting exercise but ultimately a futile one as infinity does not submit to limitation and the intellect is limited. If consciousness is all: infinite, our share of it through the intellect is finite. Not even quantum computing would help as the question of what reality is does not require a greater intellect. It requires an expansion of consciousness.
No one I know has this BELIEF. Do you have the BELIEF that your ancestors were drooling idiots?
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Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:54 pmWho does the 'we' word refer to here, EXACTLY?Agent Smith wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:14 amWe have this erroneous belief that our ancestors were drooling idiots!owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If God is, as claimed in the East: Existence, Consciousness, Bliss then our existence is borrowed from that. We have existence, we are conscious and although not blissful we have sensation as a substitute.
If there is no God then everything is something from nothing and that may defy logic. A God that is all that exists, conscious of all of that exists and blissful in that existence may also defy logic.
The laws of nature position us between good and bad choices. If we choose the good we could, if not be blissful, at least suffer less. Even so the laws of nature limit and affect us and we may feel and suffer from the impact of the impropriety of others and possibly the sins of our fathers as well. Choosing what is best for all plus a stoic attitude to the ‘slings and arrows of fortune’ would appear to be the better choice.
Whether God exists or not we are here and have no choice but to figure it out. Great progress has been made in revealing the nature of the external world. The inner world is still a mystery.
Trying to solve the problem intellectually through logic is an interesting exercise but ultimately a futile one as infinity does not submit to limitation and the intellect is limited. If consciousness is all: infinite, our share of it through the intellect is finite. Not even quantum computing would help as the question of what reality is does not require a greater intellect. It requires an expansion of consciousness.
No one I know has this BELIEF. Do you have the BELIEF that your ancestors were drooling idiots?
NO. Do you?
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To all of above think it through you will figure it out. “Reality has already been worked out.” PLEASE EXPLAIN what you mean by this.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:52 pmWhat do you mean by 'may' here?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If God is, as claimed in the East: Existence, Consciousness, Bliss then our existence is borrowed from that. We have existence, we are conscious and although not blissful we have sensation as a substitute.
If there is no God then everything is something from nothing and that may defy logic.
Are you able to explain HOW, in ANY way, something from nothing 'is' or even 'could be' logical?
If yes, then will you?
If no, then why not?
HOW and WHY 'may' this defy logic?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm A God that is all that exists, conscious of all of that exists and blissful in that existence may also defy logic.
Only the 'immature' 'suffer'.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm The laws of nature position us between good and bad choices. If we choose the good we could, if not be blissful, at least suffer less.
So, if you 'suffer' in ANY way, then you have just not yet matured nor grown up.
I am NOT following what the 'laws of nature' have to do with the choices one makes?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Even so the laws of nature limit and affect us and we may feel and suffer from the impact of the impropriety of others and possibly the sins of our fathers as well. Choosing what is best for all plus a stoic attitude to the ‘slings and arrows of fortune’ would appear to be the better choice.When you say 'it' here what are you referring to, EXACTLY?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Whether God exists or not we are here and have no choice but to figure it out.
I think what will be found is that 'it' has ALREADY been figured out, but some are just not yet aware of this.
Not to all of us.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Great progress has been made in revealing the nature of the external world. The inner world is still a mystery.When you say, 'Trying to solve the problem', here what, EXACTLY, is 'the problem'?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Trying to solve the problem intellectually through logic is an interesting exercise but ultimately a futile one as infinity does not submit to limitation and the intellect is limited.
When you learn how the Mind and the brain ACTUALLY WORK, then you will ALSO SEE HOW and WHY one does NOT have to be limited.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If consciousness is all: infinite, our share of it through the intellect is finite.
But what 'reality' is has ALREADY been worked out.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Not even quantum computing would help as the question of what reality is does not require a greater intellect. It requires an expansion of consciousness.
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Re all of above think it through and you will figure it out. “Reality has already been worked out”. PLEASE EXPLAN.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:52 pmWhat do you mean by 'may' here?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If God is, as claimed in the East: Existence, Consciousness, Bliss then our existence is borrowed from that. We have existence, we are conscious and although not blissful we have sensation as a substitute.
If there is no God then everything is something from nothing and that may defy logic.
Are you able to explain HOW, in ANY way, something from nothing 'is' or even 'could be' logical?
If yes, then will you?
If no, then why not?
HOW and WHY 'may' this defy logic?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm A God that is all that exists, conscious of all of that exists and blissful in that existence may also defy logic.
Only the 'immature' 'suffer'.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm The laws of nature position us between good and bad choices. If we choose the good we could, if not be blissful, at least suffer less.
So, if you 'suffer' in ANY way, then you have just not yet matured nor grown up.
I am NOT following what the 'laws of nature' have to do with the choices one makes?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Even so the laws of nature limit and affect us and we may feel and suffer from the impact of the impropriety of others and possibly the sins of our fathers as well. Choosing what is best for all plus a stoic attitude to the ‘slings and arrows of fortune’ would appear to be the better choice.When you say 'it' here what are you referring to, EXACTLY?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Whether God exists or not we are here and have no choice but to figure it out.
I think what will be found is that 'it' has ALREADY been figured out, but some are just not yet aware of this.
Not to all of us.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Great progress has been made in revealing the nature of the external world. The inner world is still a mystery.When you say, 'Trying to solve the problem', here what, EXACTLY, is 'the problem'?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Trying to solve the problem intellectually through logic is an interesting exercise but ultimately a futile one as infinity does not submit to limitation and the intellect is limited.
When you learn how the Mind and the brain ACTUALLY WORK, then you will ALSO SEE HOW and WHY one does NOT have to be limited.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If consciousness is all: infinite, our share of it through the intellect is finite.
But what 'reality' is has ALREADY been worked out.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Not even quantum computing would help as the question of what reality is does not require a greater intellect. It requires an expansion of consciousness.
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I will just repeat what you said to me, that is; if you think it through, then you will figure it out.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:48 amRe all of above think it through and you will figure it out. “Reality has already been worked out”. PLEASE EXPLAN.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:52 pmWhat do you mean by 'may' here?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If God is, as claimed in the East: Existence, Consciousness, Bliss then our existence is borrowed from that. We have existence, we are conscious and although not blissful we have sensation as a substitute.
If there is no God then everything is something from nothing and that may defy logic.
Are you able to explain HOW, in ANY way, something from nothing 'is' or even 'could be' logical?
If yes, then will you?
If no, then why not?
HOW and WHY 'may' this defy logic?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm A God that is all that exists, conscious of all of that exists and blissful in that existence may also defy logic.
Only the 'immature' 'suffer'.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm The laws of nature position us between good and bad choices. If we choose the good we could, if not be blissful, at least suffer less.
So, if you 'suffer' in ANY way, then you have just not yet matured nor grown up.
I am NOT following what the 'laws of nature' have to do with the choices one makes?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Even so the laws of nature limit and affect us and we may feel and suffer from the impact of the impropriety of others and possibly the sins of our fathers as well. Choosing what is best for all plus a stoic attitude to the ‘slings and arrows of fortune’ would appear to be the better choice.When you say 'it' here what are you referring to, EXACTLY?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Whether God exists or not we are here and have no choice but to figure it out.
I think what will be found is that 'it' has ALREADY been figured out, but some are just not yet aware of this.
Not to all of us.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Great progress has been made in revealing the nature of the external world. The inner world is still a mystery.When you say, 'Trying to solve the problem', here what, EXACTLY, is 'the problem'?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Trying to solve the problem intellectually through logic is an interesting exercise but ultimately a futile one as infinity does not submit to limitation and the intellect is limited.
When you learn how the Mind and the brain ACTUALLY WORK, then you will ALSO SEE HOW and WHY one does NOT have to be limited.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If consciousness is all: infinite, our share of it through the intellect is finite.
But what 'reality' is has ALREADY been worked out.owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm Not even quantum computing would help as the question of what reality is does not require a greater intellect. It requires an expansion of consciousness.
Re: God and the Philosophers
Did you NOT read where I WROTE; No one I know has this BELIEF?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 4:15 amAge wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:54 pmWho does the 'we' word refer to here, EXACTLY?Agent Smith wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:14 am
We have this erroneous belief that our ancestors were drooling idiots!
No one I know has this BELIEF. Do you have the BELIEF that your ancestors were drooling idiots?
NO. Do you?
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Age:
Touché!
No one you know has that belief. Good to know. You know some smart people, learn from them.
Touché!
No one you know has that belief. Good to know. You know some smart people, learn from them.
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The belief I refer to is apparent in the words we use.Age wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:54 pmWho does the 'we' word refer to here, EXACTLY?Agent Smith wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 8:14 amWe have this erroneous belief that our ancestors were drooling idiots!owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 7:47 pm If God is, as claimed in the East: Existence, Consciousness, Bliss then our existence is borrowed from that. We have existence, we are conscious and although not blissful we have sensation as a substitute.
If there is no God then everything is something from nothing and that may defy logic. A God that is all that exists, conscious of all of that exists and blissful in that existence may also defy logic.
The laws of nature position us between good and bad choices. If we choose the good we could, if not be blissful, at least suffer less. Even so the laws of nature limit and affect us and we may feel and suffer from the impact of the impropriety of others and possibly the sins of our fathers as well. Choosing what is best for all plus a stoic attitude to the ‘slings and arrows of fortune’ would appear to be the better choice.
Whether God exists or not we are here and have no choice but to figure it out. Great progress has been made in revealing the nature of the external world. The inner world is still a mystery.
Trying to solve the problem intellectually through logic is an interesting exercise but ultimately a futile one as infinity does not submit to limitation and the intellect is limited. If consciousness is all: infinite, our share of it through the intellect is finite. Not even quantum computing would help as the question of what reality is does not require a greater intellect. It requires an expansion of consciousness.
No one I know has this BELIEF. Do you have the BELIEF that your ancestors were drooling idiots?
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What lies to the left of matter?owl of Minerva wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 9:10 pmYes. Or else matter has extraordinary powers if it evolved consciousness, in addition to creating it to be evolved in the first place. It would mean matter is more fearsome than A.I. !!!