like you read the book?Walker wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:41 pmThe thing is, Levin wrote the book, and you don't know what he scratched, because you haven't read it. In fact, you don't even know who Levin is, by your own admission, whereas I know that Marx was a crackpot.
American Marxism
by Mark R. Levin
Check it out.
He proves that a Marxist revolution is in process, American style.
American Marxism
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Absolutely! Do not expect those who have been hoodwinked by collectivists into thinking capitalism is some kind of political ideology to understand that.
You might find some of the old article interesting relative to shadow economies (black markets) where capitalism still flourishes.
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Wokism. It has nothing to do with Marx.
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capitalism vs free enterprise: 'my' perspective (with lagniappe)
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By definition: Capitalism is only about 'capital', so it's natural for the Capitalist to see himself protected by the Big Stick, hence he works to see regs minimized on himself and maximized on his competition. The Capitalist always has an eye open for bringing every penny into 'his' coffers (not his competitor's and sure as shit not his customer's or employee's). Capitalism is an exercise that promotes intrusive, irresponsible, playin' the favorites, muckin' with the culture, rule by the powerful.
By definition: Free Enterprse is only about the trading individual as he transacts with other trading individuals. The Big Stick is excluded ('cept mebbee as final arbiter of dispute) so it's natural for the Free Enterpriser to be cautious and moderate (he has no safety net to catch him or teat to nourish in bad times). 'Too big to fail' is alien to the Free Enterpriser cuz the reality of failure looms (the wolf is always at the door). Free Enterprise promotes less intrusive, responsible, largely silent, neutral, proxy-hood.
In my case: while defintions and whatnot come from dictionaries and whatnot, my experience of the difference between Free Enterprise and Capitalism is first hand.
As I say: I self-employ, and I do so in a gray area sphere (information). I find it, convey it, wash my hands of it. What I do is largely unregulated ('cept by 'legit' private investigators who are always lookin' to call down the fire on someone they think is takin' their business). Mine is truly a 'free' enterprise. I have no formal regulators to oversee me, no safety net, no teat. If I don't work, or if I work but fail, there's no line for me to stand in to get a check. If I'm screwed over by a client, the current iteration of the courts is of little use to me.
Having worked 9 to 5, with all the benefits and all the strictures, serving multiple overseers, ain't no way in Heaven or Hell I'd ever give up the autonomy I have now for the 'security' I had then.
As I reckon things: Free Enterprise, with all it's dangers and neck-breakin', life-wreckin' possibilities, is superior to State Capitalism with it's abattoir-like confinements and 'regulations'. Only thing State Capitalism is better than is State Socialism (and not by much).
Free enterprise, for the record, is synonomous with 'free (open, unregulated) market' (something Capitalists discourage [which makes them different from commies how?]).
Bonus Material (included cuz I like it)
It was said [by someone, I don't recall who]...
"Yeah, this is why I've evolved into more of a pragmatist. To become such an individualist that you oppose government assisting in the liberation of others makes no sense to me. Government exists, if you want good governance you have to engage with it. Libertarianism has become a way to convince people not to engage with their government assuring government which does not represent their interests."
My translation...
Yeah, this is why I've evolved into a slave. To be a free man and oppose being turned into a resource for others makes me scared. Governors exist. And, since we all want to be on the governors' good side we should do as told. Libertarianism is 'bad' because it reminds people the governors are employees and governors don't like that. Libertarianism is 'wrong' because it highlghts the natural tension between those who govern and those governed, a tension governors very much want to eliminate so as to better 'govern' (rule).
...summed up as...
I've accepted my lot, which is to be bent over. Libertarians, with all their shennanigans, endanger my lube supply.
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some thoughts on categories & employment...
a state capitalism (what 'murica has right now) encourages accumulation of wealth in increasingly fewer hands...it's a means by which wealthy folks can buy a measure of favor and insulation from the gov in the form of legislation...it's a less than stellar choice of an economy for free men
though imperfect, it's an open system: anyone can climb the ladder...anyone, at anytime...if bein' rich is your goal, there's no damn reason you can't be...it will not be easy...you'll forsake many comforts and pleasures...it is what it is
a state communism (what so many want 'murica to embrace, and which includes all the subsets [social democracy, socialism, etc.]) promises a chicken in every pot (one scrawny bird, one rusty pot), and a roof over every head (a tar paper roof over submissive [or bloody] heads)...you'll have equality (with the lowest among you), safety (eyes & ears, watchin', listenin'; jackboots to stomp wrong-doers (be careful that ain't you), and a central committee to benevolently oversee you (and keep you in line)
it's a closed system...advancement comes only as your value in keepin' the machine runnin' is proven...your wants, your needs, your goals, your dreams: sorry, brother, there is no your, there's only our, so drop the y, reject the I, and embrace the party (the one, the only)
your salvation, should you choose to pursue it, is not to be found in the state capitalism (by far, not the worst thing to saddle yourself with) or the state communism (a pretty damn awful thing by any measure)...no, only free enterprise can save you, and that means self-employin'...no man is meant to work in perpetuity for another...the apprentice becomes a master, the student becomes the teacher, the child becomes a parent
I'm sub-normal yet I successfully self-employ: me and mine have shelter (actual slate shingles), food (all kinds of good eatin'), safety (we're a gun-ownin' family), and various comforts & pleasures...most important: we're free
if I can do it: there's no reason any of you ought to be on the dole or workin' the 9 to 5
best thing of all: free enterprise works everywhere, all the time...even in the midst of a well-established state communism (what do you think gray & black markets are?)
so: stop bellyachin' and get to work
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Re: capitalism vs free enterprise: 'my' perspective (with lagniappe)
Very good, Henry!henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:26 am best thing of all: free enterprise works everywhere, all the time...even in the midst of a well-established state communism (what do you think gray & black markets are?)
so: stop bellyachin' and get to work
Re: American Marxism
Have you? Is this a request to explain to you what you haven't read, in fewer words than the author used?Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:32 amlike you read the book?Walker wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:41 pmThe thing is, Levin wrote the book, and you don't know what he scratched, because you haven't read it. In fact, you don't even know who Levin is, by your own admission, whereas I know that Marx was a crackpot.
American Marxism
by Mark R. Levin
Check it out.
He proves that a Marxist revolution is in process, American style.
Get off your lazy ass and read silently to yourself, Mr. emoji.
I have the first edition in hardback, also on kindle.
I can read, you know.
Re: capitalism vs free enterprise: 'my' perspective (with lagniappe)
Getting to work is what Levin discusses in the last chapter of the book.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:33 amVery good, Henry!henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:26 am best thing of all: free enterprise works everywhere, all the time...even in the midst of a well-established state communism (what do you think gray & black markets are?)
so: stop bellyachin' and get to work
Plenty of folks want to do something, with vague notions of what's wrong, and with really no idea of what to do.
Levin clarifies the doing, and why the doing is necessary.
Re: American Marxism
I don't think so.Walker wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:47 amHave you? Is this a request to explain to you what you haven't read, in fewer words than the author used?Sculptor wrote: ↑Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:32 amlike you read the book?Walker wrote: ↑Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:41 pm
The thing is, Levin wrote the book, and you don't know what he scratched, because you haven't read it. In fact, you don't even know who Levin is, by your own admission, whereas I know that Marx was a crackpot.
American Marxism
by Mark R. Levin
Check it out.
He proves that a Marxist revolution is in process, American style.
Get off your lazy ass and read silently to yourself, Mr. emoji.
I have the first edition in hardback, also on kindle.
I can read, you know.
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Re: capitalism vs free enterprise: 'my' perspective (with lagniappe)
I got nuthin' against Levin, but, if his last chapter clarification is some variation of vote harder!, then he's just wrong.Walker wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:50 amGetting to work is what Levin discusses in the last chapter of the book.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:33 amVery good, Henry!henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:26 am best thing of all: free enterprise works everywhere, all the time...even in the midst of a well-established state communism (what do you think gray & black markets are?)
so: stop bellyachin' and get to work
Plenty of folks want to do something, with vague notions of what's wrong, and with really no idea of what to do.
Levin clarifies the doing, and why the doing is necessary.
We ain't votin' our way outta this mess.
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“And yet, historical and present-day experience shows that Marxism and its supposed “worker’s paradise” are responsible for the death of tens of millions of human beings, and the impoverishment and enslavement of over a billion more. Indeed, Marx was wrong about almost everything. The Industrial Revolution created a vast middle class unmatched at any time in world history, as opposed to an army of angry proletariat revolutionaries hell-bent on overthrowing the capitalist system. And despite the Marxist class warfare rhetoric of Democratic Party politicians and their surrogates, with technological and other advances capitalism has created unimaginable and unparalleled wealth for more people in all walks of life than any other economic system.”
- Mark Levin
American Marxism
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Re: capitalism vs free enterprise: 'my' perspective (with lagniappe)
No need for supposin' when one knows how to read.henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:55 pm
I got nuthin' against Levin, but, if his last chapter clarification is some variation of vote harder!, then he's just wrong.
We ain't votin' our way outta this mess.
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Re: capitalism vs free enterprise: 'my' perspective (with lagniappe)
I'm readin' other stuff right now, so: supposin' is all I can, am gonna, do.Walker wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:20 pmNo need for supposin' when one knows how to read.henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:55 pm
I got nuthin' against Levin, but, if his last chapter clarification is some variation of vote harder!, then he's just wrong.
We ain't votin' our way outta this mess.
Re: capitalism vs free enterprise: 'my' perspective (with lagniappe)
You do what you gotta do.henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:22 pm
I'm readin' other stuff right now, so: supposin' is all I can, am gonna, do.
Gotta, focuses attention so the reading sticks in the noggin without much effort.
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Re: capitalism vs free enterprise: 'my' perspective (with lagniappe)
What?Walker wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:24 pmYou do what you gotta do.henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:22 pm
I'm readin' other stuff right now, so: supposin' is all I can, am gonna, do.
Gotta, focuses attention so the reading sticks in the noggin without much effort.
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No! Supporting some political agenda is not work. It's what one does to evade having to work, that is, to actually produce a product or service others would willingly choose to pay for. All political programs are forms of oppression and theft.Walker wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:50 amGetting to work is what Levin discusses in the last chapter of the book.RCSaunders wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 1:33 amVery good, Henry!henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:26 am best thing of all: free enterprise works everywhere, all the time...even in the midst of a well-established state communism (what do you think gray & black markets are?)
so: stop bellyachin' and get to work
Plenty of folks want to do something, with vague notions of what's wrong, and with really no idea of what to do.
Levin clarifies the doing, and why the doing is necessary.