Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:14 am
Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:39 am
This is just so SIMPLE.
If 'every action causes a reaction' and 'cause and effect' is True, Right, and Correct, then there OBVIOUSLY is NO beginning, in relation to thee Universe/Everything.
And, if there is NO beginning, then there was also NO end, by the way.
Now, until a human being comes along who provides irrefutable PROOF or an actual VALID and SOUND argument that NOT 'every action causes a reaction' or that 'cause and effect' does NOT exist, then the FACT remains there was NO beginning.
That a 'you' exists is LIVING PROOF of this FACT.
Now would ANY one like to try to dispute or refute this?
If yes, then PLEASE DO.
You need to understand 'boundary' with respect to mathematical measure of real space.
Do NOT TELL ME what I NEED to 'understand', especially when you OBVIOUSLY do NOT YET KNOW what I ACTUALLY DO UNDERSTAND.
Also, what is, so called, "real space", to 'you'?
Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:14 am
Between ANY two points, there exists an 'infinite' number of points.
Who cares, and so what?
This has NO bearing what is ACTUALLY True, in relation to whether there was a beginning or NOT.
If you want to continue to BELIEVE that Everything came from NOTHING, then go right on ahead BELIEVING 'this'. You KNOW you have absolutely NO evidence NOR proof for such a BELIEF and CLAIM, and that you could NEVER prove this CLAIM empirically NOR even logically.
Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:14 am
So it is ALRIGHT for us to have BOTH the ability to reason infinite space and time FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE
But YOUR INTERPRETATIONS of what the words 'time' AND 'space' refer to and mean is COMPLETELY and UTTERLY DIFFERENT than MINE IS.
Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:14 am
....AND....to have boundaries that themselves are NEVER able to be reached. If there is Absolutely NOTHING beyond that point, then the point, as a singularity, is an 'assymptote' (any set of points or lines that something approaches infinitely but never reaches.
"IF there is ...", is just a COMPLETELY UNNECESSARY ASSUMPTION. Especially in light of what thee ACTUAL Truth IS.
Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:14 am
Why you ignore that I am one who argues against the Big Bang's singularity should logically tell you that I agree with us not being able to argue 'scientifically' that an 'origin' in time and space for our universe exists, and that it is due to the logic of BOUNDARIES (I used the term, 'walls' when I first discussed with you this concept).
But I do NOT 'ignore' this.
Also, there is NO "in time and space". Neither is there an "our universe". So, I suggest when 'you' want to use words like " agree with 'us' ", then it would be better if 'you' come to KNOW, exactly, what 'it' is that I ACTUALLY 'agree' with.
Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:14 am
This still does not mean that you can logically infer that NO 'beginning' can exist.
LOL But I HAVE, ALREADY.
As I have ALREADY SAID and EXPLAINED EXACTLY HOW I have.
Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:14 am
All you can say is that we cannot use our senses to infer origins because the senses are trapped IN the space and time being used to measure it.
'you' REALLY do have ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA AT ALL about who and what 'I' am, EXACTLY, do 'you'?
I CAN and DO say FAR MORE than what you CLAIM here is "All I CAN say".
Also, because 'you' are TRAPPED or STUCK in and with your "IN" word here, and STUCK AND TRAPPED with complete MISUNDERSTANDING of 'space' and of 'time' themselves, then this is WHY you make the CLAIM here that 'you' can NOT infer ANY 'thing' beyond what say 'you' can.
Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:14 am
That is, it is automatic to NOT be able to determine 'origins' OF times or spaces prior to our own existence.
This is SO FAR OFF TRACK from what I have been saying, and meaning, that I am not sure that I could bring 'you' back ON TRACK, in the near future.
By the way I have ALREADY DETERMINED EXACTLY the 'origins' OF 'time' AND 'space' prior to 'your', human beings, existence.
Which, by the way, WAS, and is, VERY SIMPLE and VERY EASY to do.
Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:14 am
But we KNOW local origins exist EVERYWHERE. AT this moment, you are always 'beginning' the next moment.
Okay. But are you SURE that 'you' do NOT want to respond to ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing', which 'you' quoted 'me' here of what I ACTUALLY SAID and WROTE'?