Re: There is no proof that separate identity exists.
Posted: Sun Feb 04, 2018 6:08 pm
no, there is no guarantee of future nows...
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There is no NOW because there is no other than NOW.surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:26 pmWhat happens to the NOW that is no longer NOW. NOW might be eternal and all that is experienced but each NOW only existsDontaskme wrote:
There is only NOW
for an infintesimal period of time before being replaced by another NOW and the process is endlessly repeated for all of time
Razors edge of creation.
I am trying to get where you are. I avoid people most of the time so experience solitude on a regular basis. I know that any ones opinion of me is none of my business. But I am not entirely where I want to be. I want to be able to communicate only when absolutely necessary but silence can be mistaken for rudeness and so I feel I have to fill in the gaps. And I tend to repeat myself. These are two areas I am trying to improve on. They are minor niggles but I still want them addressed. The big stuff is totally sorted. I have no fear of death and so I will accept it unreservedly when the time comes. Dying may be painful but I will cross that bridge if I ever come to it but death itself does not bother me as one can not be afraid of some thing one is never going to experience. I also am no longer in awe of money regardless of quantity. I am slowly becoming less susceptible to shock or surprise as time goes on. I am definitely more detached than I have ever been which both psychologically and philosophically is where I want to be for my final days. So my journey is not yet complete but I know that I am on the right pathDontaskme wrote:
I am not living in solitude I am solitude. Meaning nothing bothers me any more peoples opinions and actions are like water off a ducks back. I love company just as long as they do not cross into my personal space by expecting me to give them something for I have nothing to give anyone they them self cannot give to them self .... obviously if they were in need of medical assistance I would help by phoning a hospital or if they had run
out of sugar or needed some money .. of course I would help out. That is just how life operates. Dont get me wrong here
There is no thinker, there are only ideas about a thinker. Thoughts cannot be re-thought, they are spontaneously arising here now nowhere. You do not have ideas, you are an idea.
Exactly.GreatandWiseTrixie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:05 pmYou have no idea if solipism is not real, and you have no idea if reincarnation is real. Maybe reincarnation is real, and solipism is false, but that some people are p-zombies, maybe only some humans are sentient but not all.
Thus, you are not the notsentient humans, their inner lives do not exist at any point in time, you do not have access to their data sets, because you are not connected via reincarnation.
I hear you loud and clear and I too went through a stage of feeling like I was permanently stuck in a groove unable to find a way out. It took me ages to see perfect clarity, even though I had been experiencing many nondual glimpses from the age of 7surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 10:41 pmI am trying to get where you are. I avoid people most of the time so experience solitude on a regular basis. I know that any ones opinion of me is none of my business. But I am not entirely where I want to be. I want to be able to communicate only when absolutely necessary but silence can be mistaken for rudeness and so I feel I have to fill in the gaps. And I tend to repeat myself. These are two areas I am trying to improve on. They are minor niggles but I still want them addressed. The big stuff is totally sorted. I have no fear of death and so I will accept it unreservedly when the time comes. Dying may be painful but I will cross that bridge if I ever come to it but death itself does not bother me as one can not be afraid of some thing one is never going to experience. I also am no longer in awe of money regardless of quantity. I am slowly becoming less susceptible to shock or surprise as time goes on. I am definitely more detached than I have ever been which both psychologically and philosophically is where I want to be for my final days. So my journey is not yet complete but I know that I am on the right pathDontaskme wrote:
I am not living in solitude I am solitude. Meaning nothing bothers me any more peoples opinions and actions are like water off a ducks back. I love company just as long as they do not cross into my personal space by expecting me to give them something for I have nothing to give anyone they them self cannot give to them self .... obviously if they were in need of medical assistance I would help by phoning a hospital or if they had run
out of sugar or needed some money .. of course I would help out. That is just how life operates. Dont get me wrong here
GreatandWiseTrixie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:05 pmNope you need to rethink your ideas.
A person, or life, is a collection of data, a data set.
But all sets requires further set to exist with the summation being 1 set itself.
You have no idea if solipism is not real, and you have no idea if reincarnation is real. Maybe reincarnation is real, and solipism is false, but that some people are p-zombies, maybe only some humans are sentient but not all.
Based upon that logic you have no idea if the person has no idea, because how could you know if a person has no idea?
Thus, you are not the notsentient humans, their inner lives do not exist at any point in time, you do not have access to their data sets, because you are not connected via reincarnation.
Genius.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:31 pm bGreatandWiseTrixie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:05 pmNope you need to rethink your ideas.
A person, or life, is a collection of data, a data set.
But all sets requires further set to exist with the summation being 1 set itself.
You have no idea if solipism is not real, and you have no idea if reincarnation is real. Maybe reincarnation is real, and solipism is false, but that some people are p-zombies, maybe only some humans are sentient but not all.
Based upon that logic you have no idea if the person has no idea, because how could you know if a person has no idea?
Thus, you are not the notsentient humans, their inner lives do not exist at any point in time, you do not have access to their data sets, because you are not connected via reincarnation.
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:26 pmGenius.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 06, 2018 6:31 pm bGreatandWiseTrixie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 04, 2018 5:05 pm
Nope you need to rethink your ideas.
A person, or life, is a collection of data, a data set.
But all sets requires further set to exist with the summation being 1 set itself.
You have no idea if solipism is not real, and you have no idea if reincarnation is real. Maybe reincarnation is real, and solipism is false, but that some people are p-zombies, maybe only some humans are sentient but not all.
Based upon that logic you have no idea if the person has no idea, because how could you know if a person has no idea?
Thus, you are not the notsentient humans, their inner lives do not exist at any point in time, you do not have access to their data sets, because you are not connected via reincarnation.
Who let the genie out of the bottle..who,who? ...I've no idea except my idea.
You seem to be living in a world of words where reality has no meaning.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2018 10:06 am Those who believe they exist as a separate ''me'' are living a lie.
An assumed separate ''me'' existence is just a belief energetically generated by the phenomena known as the senses. What 'knows' the senses is only ever 'not-knowing awareness'. There is only ONE (thing) aware of the senses, and that is awareness itself which is not a thing...there is no room for any ''other thing'' to make the 'knowing' approach. Knowing is only ever 'one with the knowing' itself inseparably one. That is the only SELF there is.
The sensor and the sensed are inseparably one in the exact same instant totally unclaimed. There is simply no room for any other thing to claim that instant. The feeler and the sensation of feeling are the same one...appearing as if two, where in that exact instant the not-knowing is instantly known generating the illusion of other as the (unborn) awareness becomes aware(born)..and the sense of ''other'' is born, but that sense of other is a simulation it has no existence in and of itself.
A sensation felt and the cause of that sensation are instantaneous in the same moment. For example: the seeing and the seen are inseparably one in the same instant, there is no world out-there separate from the perceiver here. There is no THERE separate from HERE...separation are just illusory ideas.
These sense of ''me'' existence can only exist as a past tense aka memory which does not exist in this immediate realtime unborn presence NOW. Now is only ever this blank inane immediate not-knowing aliveness living itself aka unborn awareness.
Knowing anything is always a reflection of an event that's already taken place, the sense of ''me'' is an appearance of that reflection aka memory appearing in the same one awareness as if the event that's already happened is happening now artificially creating the illusion of a separate ''me'' existing now. It's a self-sustaining feedback loop constantly feeding itself giving continuity to the sense of the separate ''me'' - but it's an illusion because this ''me'' is a fictional artificially created character created by the ONE AWARENESS aware of itself only via memory which is dead...the sense of ''other'' is an illusion, it does not exist, it's a parasite along for the free ride.
There is no person or thing living life.
And that's the only truth there is, the truth that there is no truth.
Yes I agree.odysseus wrote: ↑Wed Feb 21, 2018 6:49 pm Only one way to establish personal identity, and that is through the ethical dimension of our being here. The harm one person experiences is that person's harm (or joy, and so forth) exclusively. Torture me and it is not some floating body of incidentals tagged "mine" but is the Real that is in the fabric of the world. This grounds the abstractions of identity in the world and makes my being me a palpable existential event in time.