Re: What is belief?
Posted: Sun Sep 11, 2016 7:06 pm
At the moment, I'm observing God...
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Belief is an element of knowledge(JTB). Everyone holds belief. A statement is a statement of belief(assuming sincerity). Belief presupposes truth. Thus, statements presuppose truth. Statements report belief.Walker wrote:
What do you think about belief?
With attention thus on memory the present goes unnoticed and then becomes a future, fabricated memory to hold attention within an ignored future present moment. The snake thus swallows its own considerable tale to a dimensionless point, a figurative pre-big-bang with similar implications.creativesoul wrote:Observation by recollection...
Flowery babble that mistakenly presupposes one cannot do both, recollect something now and in the future... accurately. Moreover, none of this twaddle is germane to the fact that you've called recognition(recollection, mulling over thoughts) observation, in a futile attempt to save your physicalist/observationalist construct.Walker wrote:With attention thus on memory the present goes unnoticed and then becomes a future, fabricated memory to hold attention within an ignored future present moment. The snake thus swallows its own considerable tale to a dimensionless point, a figurative pre-big-bang with similar implications.creativesoul wrote:Observation by recollection...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GezIBBJkhME
Beliefs do not actually exist. They're just metaphors for 'x causes y which means z' which is a useful shortcut for our neurology but not actually representing reality.Walker wrote:Some folks steer clear of belief, saying it’s a filter that influences perception of reality.
Some say different.
“What you are is a belief; if you let one belief go, you must replace it with another; otherwise, you will drop dead. I am telling you, a clinical death will occur. It is not the near death experience of those ‘near death’ scoundrels.”
- U.G. Krishnamurti
What do you think about belief?
How do you know that everyone has a large amount of beliefs Terrapin Station, how many do I have?Terrapin Station wrote:That everyone has a large amount of beliefs, and hopefully, most of them are supported by rational arguments and/or empirical evidence, even if it's just rational argumentation of empirical evidence of practical/instrumental utility.
So, if a mouse acts and eats some cheese then it that a result of a belief on part of the mouse?Dubious wrote:A good way of putting it. Beliefs supply the motives for almost all decisions and actions. If not true what else might its underpinnings be?A_Seagull wrote:Beliefs are the basis for decisions and subsequently, actions.
If they steer clear of belief, that exposes a belief about beliefs which filters as well.Walker wrote:Some folks steer clear of belief, saying it’s a filter that influences perception of reality.
Some say different.
wirius wrote:A belief is an assertion of reality. Whether that belief is rational, or actually is real, is a question of knowledge.
Yes, putting those filters aside allows people to perceive much more clearly.ken wrote:I think belief is one reason why most people can not see Reality, yet. Letting go of beliefs un-covers the Truth.Walker wrote:Some folks steer clear of belief, saying it’s a filter that influences perception of reality.
Some say different.
“What you are is a belief; if you let one belief go, you must replace it with another; otherwise, you will drop dead. I am telling you, a clinical death will occur. It is not the near death experience of those ‘near death’ scoundrels.”
- U.G. Krishnamurti
What do you think about belief?
Some sentences are not claims to knowledge about reality; questions for example. Another would be ones concerning logical relations, or the meaning of words.A Human wrote:Every statement, sentence, is a claim to knowledge about reality.wirius wrote:A belief is an assertion of reality. Whether that belief is rational, or actually is real, is a question of knowledge.
As an example, your first sentence asserts that beliefs exist, assertions exist, reality exists.
It's recursive when you talk about it as you are.
That presupposes the necessity for belief.A Human wrote:If they steer clear of belief, that exposes a belief about beliefs which filters as well.Walker wrote:Some folks steer clear of belief, saying it’s a filter that influences perception of reality.
Some say different.
(wtf with moderation time delays, this isn't 1983)
Hogwash.creativesoul wrote:Flowery babble that mistakenly presupposes one cannot do both, recollect something now and in the future... accurately. Moreover, none of this twaddle is germane to the fact that you've called recognition(recollection, mulling over thoughts) observation, in a futile attempt to save your physicalist/observationalist construct.
There’s a meme floating around that says belief can move mountains.A Human wrote:Beliefs do not actually exist. They're just metaphors for 'x causes y which means z' which is a useful shortcut for our neurology but not actually representing reality.Walker wrote:Some folks steer clear of belief, saying it’s a filter that influences perception of reality.
Some say different.
“What you are is a belief; if you let one belief go, you must replace it with another; otherwise, you will drop dead. I am telling you, a clinical death will occur. It is not the near death experience of those ‘near death’ scoundrels.”
- U.G. Krishnamurti
What do you think about belief?
Did you ever have a thought pop into your head that is totally unrelated to your current chain of thoughts, and unconnected to current perception? A thought “out of the blue” as the saying goes. If you describe this thought it seems so out-of-place that you might say, it’s not even my own.Londoner wrote:I am aware that what might broadly be described as 'thoughts' come in different kinds.Only the physical exists.
Thoughts exist.
Therefore, thoughts are physical.
Belief is a thought, therefore belief is physical.
Some thoughts impose themselves upon me, I cannot will them away. They are also have a persistency. For example, each time I look through my window I see (more or less) the same thing, I cannot choose to see something else.
Because of their special nature, I posit the idea that this sort of thought has an external cause. I say their cause is 'physical'.
So the situation with 'physical' is that I posit that some of my thoughts relate to something which is not thought.
Or one could make the same point by looking at 'exist'. The criteria by which we would demonstrate that a physical things 'exists' is not the same as that we would use to show a thought 'exists'. Same word, different meanings.