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Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:32 pm
by Darkneos
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:18 pm
Darkneos wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:11 pm
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 8:15 pm
Do you have anything to contribute yourself, accept appealing to authority and being negative and rude in the process?
Appeal to authority isn’t a fallacy when science is involved.
Do you have anything to add other than some links.
Considering you have nothing I need nothing.
Never mind that plank’s quote is literally god of the gaps fallacy. Furthermore it’s only an opinion, not a scientific fact.
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:39 pm
by popeye1945
Darkneos wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:32 pm
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:18 pm
Darkneos wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:11 pm
Appeal to authority isn’t a fallacy when science is involved.
Do you have anything to add other than some links.
Considering you have nothing I need nothing.
Never mind that plank’s quote is literally god of the gaps fallacy. Furthermore, it’s only an opinion, not a scientific fact.
LOL!!!
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:16 pm
by Darkneos
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:39 pm
Darkneos wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:32 pm
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:18 pm
Do you have anything to add other than some links.
Considering you have nothing I need nothing.
Never mind that plank’s quote is literally god of the gaps fallacy. Furthermore, it’s only an opinion, not a scientific fact.
LOL!!!
Yeah it’s just easier to call you stupid at this point.
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:35 pm
by popeye1945
Darkneos wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 10:16 pm
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:39 pm
Darkneos wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 9:32 pm
Considering you have nothing I need nothing.
Never mind that plank’s quote is literally god of the gaps fallacy. Furthermore, it’s only an opinion, not a scientific fact.
LOL!!!
Yeah it’s just easier to call you stupid at this point.
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That is what you do with everyone in general shmuck!!
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:37 pm
by Darkneos
Because half the people here are idiots talking about what they don’t understand
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2023 5:55 am
by popeye1945
Darkneos wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:37 pm
Because half the people here are idiots talking about what they don’t understand
SHMUCK!!
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:08 am
by socrat44
26 June 2023. How does consciousness arise?
A 25-year-old bet has now been decided
Twenty-five years ago, a neuroscientist and a philosopher bet a case of fine wine on
whether scientists would have cracked the neural basis of consciousness by 2023.
Now, one of them conceded the prize
/By Alexis Wnuk/
https://www.newscientist.com/article/23 ... oes-consci
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2023 7:53 pm
by Darkneos
socrat44 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 28, 2023 11:08 am
26 June 2023. How does consciousness arise?
A 25-year-old bet has now been decided
Twenty-five years ago, a neuroscientist and a philosopher bet a case of fine wine on
whether scientists would have cracked the neural basis of consciousness by 2023.
Now, one of them conceded the prize
/By Alexis Wnuk/
https://www.newscientist.com/article/23 ... oes-consci
Dude summarize it, the article is paywalled.
Also clickbait title if I ever saw one
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2023 6:15 am
by socrat44
How does consciousness arise?
From simple to complex (on different levels of life)
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Why Crows Are as Smart as 7 Year Old Humans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aWL2iEb6y4
Australian researchers have clocked the IQs of crows as high as 70.
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2023 6:43 am
by Darkneos
socrat44 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 6:15 am
How does consciousness arise?
From simple to complex (on different levels of life)
---
Why Crows Are as Smart as 7 Year Old Humans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aWL2iEb6y4
Australian researchers have clocked the IQs of crows as high as 70.
How is this relevant? We've always known that crows are pretty smart for birds, though they're the exception than the rule for birds.
Also, PAYWALLED ARTICLE. I mean honestly. I'm not subscribing for one article, just summarize it.
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2023 7:33 am
by Advocate
[quote=RickLewis post_id=73224 time=1301173949 user_id=4]
This section of the forum is for the discussion of anything to do with philosophy of mind.
For clarity, this includes anything to do with consciousness, cognitive science and artificial intelligence as well as traditional philosophy of mind.
Should this section also include threads on phenomenology? How about psychology? I'm not sure. I'll assume that this is the best place for such discussions, but if you radically disagree this thread would be a good place to say why.
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Mind is a metaphor for the patterns on the brain which includes opinions, priorities, fears and desires, options, memories, experiences, knowledge, quirks, personality, character, consciousness, etc.
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:53 pm
by Trajk Logik
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 7:33 am
Mind is a metaphor for the patterns on the brain which includes opinions, priorities, fears and desires, options, memories, experiences, knowledge, quirks, personality, character, consciousness, etc.
Seems to be the opposite to me. Mind is primary and you only know of brains and neurological patterns via the mind, so brains would be a metaphor, or model, of other minds. Minds model other minds as a perception of brains. Minds model the world as a perception of solid, static objects - think of converting analog to digital. The world is not made up of solid, static objects. It is more like the mind in that it is composed of information, processes, and/or relationships.
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:55 pm
by Darkneos
Trajk Logik wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:53 pm
Advocate wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2023 7:33 am
Mind is a metaphor for the patterns on the brain which includes opinions, priorities, fears and desires, options, memories, experiences, knowledge, quirks, personality, character, consciousness, etc.
Seems to be the opposite to me. Mind is primary and you only know of brains and neurological patterns via the mind, so brains would be a metaphor, or model, of other minds. Minds model other minds as a perception of brains. Minds model the world as a perception of solid, static objects - think of converting analog to digital. The world is not made up of solid, static objects. It is more like the mind in that it is composed of information, processes, and/or relationships.
That’s just false. Evidence points to it just being the brain, no mind. All the modeling and studies show it. Mind is just an old and dated concept that has no evidence for it. Even if such a thing did exist there wouldn’t be anything for it to do.
Also mind can’t be primary and the world is very much made of solid static objects. What we call the “mind” is very much just brain processes. In fact everything you just mentioned is brain processes, not mind. We have no evidence for a mind.
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:04 am
by henry quirk
Darkneos wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:55 pmEvidence points to it just being the brain, no mind.
What evidence?
Re: Philosophy of Mind
Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 1:38 am
by Darkneos
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2023 12:04 am
Darkneos wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2023 6:55 pmEvidence points to it just being the brain, no mind.
What evidence?
Everything in modern neuroscience and psychology: