SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:24 am
Atla wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:31 pm
SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Sat Mar 10, 2018 2:46 pm
Here is the basic question that this thread asks ... Given:
1) Neural Activity for Red happens.
2) A Conscious experience of Red happens.
How does 1 produce 2? The old Dodge that the Red experience is just an Illusion doesn't work anymore. Even if you think it is an Illusion then what is the thing that experiences the Illusion?
Imo the trick is to realize that Western cultural mind-matter dualism is bullshit, we just see double. Materialism is bullshit. Idealism is bullshit. Matter and experience are one and the same thing.
It's not that experience is restricted to the human head; it's fundamental and one and the same thing as matter. This isn't panpsychism however, panpsychism still is a double vision projected into everything.
So 1 doesn't produce 2. 1 and 2 are one and the same thing said twice.
So there is no gap that needs closing, and no need for an Inter Mind. Red is fundamental, and in the language of science, some kind of material structure or wave or whatever will eventually be found, that corresponds to "red".
I can't help it, I have studied the Physical World and I do not see the Conscious experience of the Color Red in the Physical World. The Conscious experience of Red seems to me to be something different than anything in the Physical World. This is why it is only logical to conclude that there is some sort of Conscious World or Conscious Space that Conscious experience happens in. I see separation not oneness here. But I have an open mind about what you say and would like to understand that some day.
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Atla wrote: ↑Tue Mar 13, 2018 4:31 pmAlso, I read the last few comments of your Inter Mind topic on the skeptic forum. Apparently some skeptics think that everyone who doesn't think that experience is an illusion, is crazy.
They don't believe in red. This further confirms my suspicion that extreme skepticism is a mental disorder.
It has been a real marathon with those people. They really don't know how Neural Activity produces the experience of Red, so they create all kinds of diversions that have nothing to do with the question.
Matter is real, dontaskme is using her computer, or cellphone, which has electrons in it, whether she is observing, knowing, aware of or focused or direct experiencing (touching, psychically observing, psychically interacting, or whatever) with it or not, IT STILL EXISTS, independent of her, YET SHE SAYS THE 'MATTER' IS NOT REAL, OR INDEPENDENT OF HER CONSCIOUSNESS, OR OF "GOD" consciousness, SHE MAY BELIEVE IT BECOMES A QUANTUM HIPPY FOAMS AND HIPPY DREAMY FLUCTUATIONS AT QUANTUM SCALE WHEN SHE IS NOT OBSERVING, C'MON. That's total bullshit, dualism, non dualism, monism, are all stupid concepts made up by these hippies.
"So 1 doesn't produce 2."
ONE DOESN'T PRODUCE TWO, ONE + ONE PRODUCE 2, YOU WACKO.
1 and 2 are TOTALLY DIFFERENT, 1 IS 1, 2 IS 1+1, LEARN TO DO THE MATH, HIPPY. OPS you can't, all you do is lie, lie, lie, lie, oneness, fake math in favor of your non dual oompa loompa lie, only in your oompaland of frustrated leftist hippy group of liars, with one plus one you get one, instead of two,
, all you do everyday is live a lie lie lie lie..........
can you even order a pizza? Hi, Please, one slice....but,sir, we can only sell 2 slices ...OH MY GOD, what did u say? T..??? TW???? TWO?? OMG, no , PLEASE, NOOOOOOOOOOO.... I HATE MORE THAN ONE, ALL I HAVE IN MY HOUSE ARE ONE, ONE COMPUTER, ONE EVERYTHING, I HATE THE NUMBER TWO, LET ALONE THREE AND FOUR, I CAN'T EVEN STAND THINKING ABOUT IT, MY HIPPY MIND CAN'T CONCEIVE AND RECOGNIZE MORE THAN ONE, OTHERWISE I GO HIPPY-SHIT-CRAZY SORRY, ONE SLICE OR I'm out"""
And red, is part of light, when reflects upon the object, what you see is the reflection of light which is instantly, and your cones detect you are able to see what is there. you are conscious, the world is not. Whether you are a sockpuppet of dontaskme/placid or not, I'm still making people aware of bullshits here and there.