VVilliam wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:57 am"Anyone who thinks we exist within a creation is also saying that we exist within a Reality Simulation."
Often Christians argue that we do not exist within a Simulated Reality while maintaining that we exist within a Creation.
What is the difference between existing within a Reality Simulation and existing within a Creation?
Within the frame that holds there are only two realities, the natural ,and the supernatural, the supernatural is eternal and the worldly is transient and relative.
Within the frame that holds there are x number of realities , there is no eternal reality apart from the x number of realities that comprise it.
tillingborn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:11 am
If God gave you choice and reason, what reason do you have to choose? What choice does reason give you?
So...you have choice and reason, you say, because you've been given them by God...so you have reason and choice, but you don't know what they are? I can't make heads-or-tails of that question. You're going to have to reword.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:56 pmDoes reason incline, instruct, and induce and me to be a Christian? I would say it does: the reasons add up.
It's certainly not a merely aesthetic kind of judgment.
What made you do all that work in the first place?
VVilliam wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:57 am"Anyone who thinks we exist within a creation is also saying that we exist within a Reality Simulation."
Often Christians argue that we do not exist within a Simulated Reality while maintaining that we exist within a Creation.
What is the difference between existing within a Reality Simulation and existing within a Creation?
Within the frame that holds there are only two realities, the natural ,and the supernatural, the supernatural is eternal and the worldly is transient and relative.
What make either one real?
Within the frame that holds there are x number of realities , there is no eternal reality apart from the x number of realities that comprise it.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:58 amHow about instead of being rude ignorant pricks you take your argument elsewhere by starting your own thread.
You're right of course; sorry about that. Anyway, Christianity is basically Platonism with extra nails. For Plato the world was crafted by a demiurge out of gross matter according to divine templates called 'forms'. In the same way Christianity, at least in some shapes, claims that the temporal world is an imperfect model of the eternal world of heaven and that we are made in the image of God. People can quibble over the exact meaning of 'simulation', but in my view the answer to your question
VVilliam wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:57 amWhat is the difference between existing within a Reality Simulation and existing within a Creation?
is, 'Not much'.
Thank you for your answer. I would add to that [not much] if anything. Certainly enough that it is very apparent that Christianity [Christians] believe that we exist with some kind of holographic simulator. [because 'it is written' throughout its mythology]
Why they resist admitting to this is of interest to me...
Since none appear to want to actually discuss it, perhaps you might offer some reason as to why this is the case...[that they do not want to admit we exist within some kind of holographic simulator]
VVilliam wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:57 am"Anyone who thinks we exist within a creation is also saying that we exist within a Reality Simulation."
Often Christians argue that we do not exist within a Simulated Reality while maintaining that we exist within a Creation.
What is the difference between existing within a Reality Simulation and existing within a Creation?
Within the frame that holds there are only two realities, the natural ,and the supernatural, the supernatural is eternal and the worldly is transient and relative.
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Within the frame that holds there are x number of realities , there is no eternal reality apart from the x number of realities that comprise it.
Within the frame that holds there are only two realities, the natural ,and the supernatural, the supernatural is eternal and the worldly is transient and relative.
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Within the frame that holds there are x number of realities , there is no eternal reality apart from the x number of realities that comprise it.
What makes these x numbers of places 'realities'?
Ontic realities are not places.
Therefore it must be that which is experiencing which is a 'place'
Therefore it must be that which is experiencing which is a 'place'
Therefore, the 'place' where ALL 'simulated Realities', IF there are ANY at all, is the REAL and ONLY REAL 'place', REAL 'world', or as some like to call that 'place', Reality, Itself.
So, once more, what you are 'trying to' argue for here "vvilliam" just is NOT working for you AT ALL.
Therefore it must be that which is experiencing which is a 'place'
That which experiences in this reality of physical and mental aspects is indeed a place. That place is the brain-mind. However for all we can know there are other realities besides the one in which we are conversing. Our brain-minds are filters or mirrors of whatever it is that is extramental and we can't experience anything about it.
Maybe this:
The many-worlds interpretation (MWI) is an interpretation of quantum mechanics that asserts that the universal wavefunction is objectively real, and that there is no wavefunction collapse. This implies that all possible outcomes of quantum measurements are physically realized in some "world" or universe.
Some of these mutations of the wave function perhaps don't own a physical aspect and may be accounted to be sterile for the purpose of the theory. I admit this is far -fetched I am no physicist.
tillingborn wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:12 pm
What made you do all that work in the first place?
"Work"? What "work"?
Perhaps you don't think of it as work, but you have evidently researched the Christian story fairly comprehensively. What drew you to it in the first place?
Then out of the shit appeared more shit, and then more and more shit appeared, there was just no end to the beginning of this shit show because shit really does happen.
VVilliam wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:51 pmThank you for your answer. I would add to that [not much] if anything. Certainly enough that it is very apparent that Christianity [Christians] believe that we exist with some kind of holographic simulator. [because 'it is written' throughout its mythology]
Why they resist admitting to this is of interest to me...
Since none appear to want to actually discuss it, perhaps you might offer some reason as to why this is the case...[that they do not want to admit we exist within some kind of holographic simulator]
I can't speak for Christians generally; frankly nor could any Christian because apart from affirming that God exists and Jesus was his son, there is little consistency in their ideas. One Christian who claimed that the world is a simulation is Georges Berkeley. In a nutshell his argument was that since ideas are the only thing we can be certain exist, as Descartes demonstrated, it would be wasteful for a God to create a world out of gross matter. All you need is ideas in the head of God, so that's all there is. For other Christians the emphasis is on the bodily resurrection of Christ and the reanimation of human bodies on the day of judgement. Thomas Aquinas for example, thought enough about this to wonder what would happen in cases of cannibalism; if you have eaten someone's leg and that flesh has become part of your body, who has first dibs on it after Armageddon? The fact is that there are sects or cults for all sorts of crazy ideas; it is only when they are certain you are as crazy as they are that members will let you in on the real craziness.
I can't make heads-or-tails of that question. You're going to have to reword.
