Our universe is contingent

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Skepdick wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:51 pm
bahman wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:27 pm I have an argument for the whole is infinite. The observable universe by definition is finite.
I feel like a stuck record but...

What has caused you to believe that the whole is infinite IF you have only ever observed the finite?
My argument is a philosophical argument. It does not rely on science.
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Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:05 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:45 pm
RCSaunders wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:23 pm
Contingent on what?
Contingent on its parts.
RCSaunders wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:23 pm If what you are calling the universe is contingent on something, what it is contingent on is part of the universe.
Yes, the parts are contingent so the universe is contingent too since the universe is made of its parts. The universe is not an objective thigs but its parts are.
It's like you are a bot with a sentence generator with no understanding of the words you are using.
Is the universe an object?
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bahman wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:34 am
Skepdick wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:51 pm
bahman wrote: Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:27 pm I have an argument for the whole is infinite. The observable universe by definition is finite.
I feel like a stuck record but...

What has caused you to believe that the whole is infinite IF you have only ever observed the finite?
My argument is a philosophical argument. It does not rely on science.
Rinse. Repeat.

What has caused you to argue that the universe is infinite; when you could've (just as easily) argued that it's finite.

Personally, I would've assigned equal probabilityes to each of those possible universes. What swayed you the way of infinity?
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bahman wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:14 pm
Age wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 9:10 am
bahman wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:36 pm
No, time began to exist. Time is a substance that allows motion.
LOL
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"bahman".
bahman wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:36 pm
No. You are better to read what I wrote and think about it before commenting on it.
Yes. I expressed CLEARLY what 'it' is that you have been expressing and CLAIMING here. As evidenced and PROVED above.
bahman wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:36 pm
Why?
Because that perception of 'time' 'you' are alluding to here, which, by the way, 'you", "yourself", do NOT even have a grasp on and KNOW EXACTLY, could NOT begin.

The Universe, or 'time', beginning is just a VERY OLD STORY, which some of 'you', in the days when this is being written, SADLY, STILL BELIEVE is true. As evidenced and PROVED above.
bahman wrote: Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:36 pm
Then think through. I cannot make it easier.
You can NOT make 'what' easier? And, WHY are 'you' NOT able to make 'it' easier?
I think I am done with you.
MORE PROOF of NOT even being able to CLARIFY "one's" own 'self'. it does NOT even know what 'it' is.
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bahman wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:35 am
Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:05 pm
bahman wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:45 pm
Contingent on its parts.


Yes, the parts are contingent so the universe is contingent too since the universe is made of its parts. The universe is not an objective thigs but its parts are.
It's like you are a bot with a sentence generator with no understanding of the words you are using.
Is the universe an object?
What is an object?
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Sculptor wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:26 pm
bahman wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:35 am
Sculptor wrote: Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:05 pm

It's like you are a bot with a sentence generator with no understanding of the words you are using.
Is the universe an object?
What is an object?
An entity that has physical properties and can affect another entity.
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bahman wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:25 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:26 pm
bahman wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:35 am
Is the universe an object?
What is an object?
An entity that has physical properties and can affect another entity.
LOL
What is an entity?

The universe is by definition the set of all entities and therefore not contingent.
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bahman wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:25 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:26 pm
bahman wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 12:35 am
Is the universe an object?
What is an object?
An entity that has physical properties and can affect another entity.
LOL
What is an entity?

The universe is by definition the set of all entities and therefore not contingent.
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Re: Our universe is contingent

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Sculptor wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:52 pm
bahman wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 10:25 pm
Sculptor wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:26 pm
What is an object?
An entity that has physical properties and can affect another entity.
LOL
What is an entity?

The universe is by definition the set of all entities and therefore not contingent.
Something. Like an electron, etc.
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