I am confident of what I had stated re Islam because I had spent 3 years full time reading, researching and analyzing the Quran. In addition I have also studied basic Arabic sufficient for me to understand the linguistic principles [not oral] of Classical Arabic.Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed Dec 05, 2018 10:24 am What evidence exists for the belief that the "primary" reason for Islamic terrorism is over religious reasons (the desire to destroy non-believers) and NOT over recent foreign policies of other nations that have intervened in their lands?
I mean, if Islam simply wanted to kill all non-believers, then how is it that there have apparently been many circumstances where non-Muslims have lived peacefully within Muslim controlled territories throughout its history (even during the height of its domination and power when surely they could easily have killed whomever they wanted in their own territories)?
How do you or I know whether ISIS truly expresses the intent of Muhammad anymore than, say the Crusades truly expressed the intent of a figure who was so radically pacifist that he apparently willingly died on a cross when he was ordered to be executed by his enemies?
Thus I am confident of what I.S.I.S claimed actually reflect the true ethos of Islam.
You would be more wiser not to believe me or the various scholars.I have not read the Quran but I've read and listened to audio and video from various scholars who have said that the Quran does not advocate war unless Muslims are attacked. Here's something to that effect from a blogger with the Huffington Post, which echoes what I've often heard stated with regard to the Quran and war/violence:
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/kabir-he ... 22114.htmlThe fundamental Quranic principle is that fighting is allowed only in self-defense, and it is only against those who actively fight against you. Indeed, Islam is a religion that seeks to maximize peace and reconciliation. Yet, Islam is not a pacifist religion; it does accept the premise that, from time to time and as a last resort, arms must be taken up in a just war.
Who should I believe, you or various scholars who seem to say otherwise? Have you read the Quran from cover to cover? I have not. And even if either of us have read it cover to cover, does that even guarantee understanding anymore than a Pope "understands" the teachings and motives of Christ when he orders a "crusade" that apparently ends up killing many innocent women and children in a foreign land?
I have given you the other views based on my own competence, but preferably you should verify it by reading [thoroughly] the Quran itself.
If you do not intent to read the Quran it would be wiser to suspend judgment and not believe in one side only.
The majority of Muslims do not read the Quran but accept what their clergy preach to them.
In general the majority of the clergy who are full time scholars and thus familiar with the main ethos of Islam which is generally evil will impute a range of evilness in their message to the masses.
A majority of the masses will be influenced to some degree of evilness but a % who are evil prone will be strongly to be evil and violent. Note if this % is 20% conservatively, there would be a pool of 300 million evil prone Muslims. This is so evident by this type of stats and others;
which prove my thesis to be true, i.e. Islam's ethos is inherently evil and violent.
Whilst Islam is inherent malignantly evil and violent, the majority of Muslims are ignorant of it or are blind to it even if they have read the verses and interpret them with all sorts of excuses like the link you provided above. These good Muslims just cannot believe a religion can be inherently evil and violent, thus they give all sorts of excuses for the evil and violent elements as just-wars, self-defense, situational, historical, etc.
But the default is all religions are supposed to be peaceful or seen as peaceful, thus should never include any elements of potential evil and violence within their doctrines, especially where it involve the command of a God who hold their life by a thread.
The fact that the Quran [core of Islam] contain evil elements is evident it was compiled by a group of humans with strong evil tendencies just like the Mein Kempf. I am sure because God is an impossibility to be real.
As with Christianity, Jesus and the NT has an overriding pacifist Maxim, i.e. love your enemy or give your right cheek, love this or love that else Goto Hell!
If Jesus had given such an overriding maxim which Christian would dare to go against it.
Therefore when a Christian commit a killing of the enemy or others, it is because they have no choice to do it or impulsively on their own human nature. It cannot be driven by the doctrines from Jesus. One cannot blame Christianity itself in such cases.
