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Re: Infinite regress is logically impossible
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:36 am
by Skepdick
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Dec 20, 2023 10:52 am
I am not interested in entanglement.
You don't seem to know what it is you are interested in...
Re: Infinite regress is logically impossible
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:38 am
by Skepdick
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:33 am
X and Y cannot lay at the same point since otherwise we are dealing with a simultaneous process and there cannot be any change in the system.
This is incoherent gibberish.
Simultaneous change at an instant in time IS entanglement.
X and Y do lay at the same point. IN TIME.
X and Y do lay at different points. IN SPACE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_calculus
You could even imagine X and Y in terms of bisimulation. X and Y are bisimulating (mirroring?) each other. Both X and Y change instantaneously because they are perfectly bisimulating each other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisimulation
Re: Infinite regress is logically impossible
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:17 am
by bahman
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:38 am
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:33 am
X and Y cannot lay at the same point since otherwise we are dealing with a simultaneous process and there cannot be any change in the system.
This is incoherent gibberish.
Simultaneous change at an instant in time IS entanglement.
X and Y do lay at the same point. IN TIME.
X and Y do lay at different points. IN SPACE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Process_calculus
You could even imagine X and Y in terms of bisimulation. X and Y are bisimulating (mirroring?) each other. Both X and Y change instantaneously because they are perfectly bisimulating each other.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisimulation
By point, I don't essentially mean a point in space or time. And yes entanglement is an example of a simultaneous process.
Re: Infinite regress is logically impossible
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:42 pm
by Skepdick
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:17 am
By point, I don't essentially mean a point in space or time. And yes entanglement is an example of a simultaneous process.
By point you mean a location. In some coordinate system.
If it's a point in spacetime then you can have points along the same y-coordinate (time) OR along the same x-coordinate (space).
Re: Infinite regress is logically impossible
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:24 pm
by bahman
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:42 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:17 am
By point, I don't essentially mean a point in space or time. And yes entanglement is an example of a simultaneous process.
By point you mean a location. In some coordinate system.
If it's a point in spacetime then you can have points along the same y-coordinate (time) OR along the same x-coordinate (space).
No, by point I just mean a point.
Re: Infinite regress is logically impossible
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:27 pm
by Skepdick
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:24 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:42 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 11:17 am
By point, I don't essentially mean a point in space or time. And yes entanglement is an example of a simultaneous process.
By point you mean a location. In some coordinate system.
If it's a point in spacetime then you can have points along the same y-coordinate (time) OR along the same x-coordinate (space).
No, by point I just mean a point.
A point doesn't mean anything.
A point in ... what?
Re: Infinite regress is logically impossible
Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:43 pm
by bahman
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:27 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:24 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 1:42 pm
By point you mean a location. In some coordinate system.
If it's a point in spacetime then you can have points along the same y-coordinate (time) OR along the same x-coordinate (space).
No, by point I just mean a point.
A point doesn't mean anything.
A point in ... what?
A point does mean something. It is an idea that can help us to understand some other ideas like simultaneous process.
Re: Infinite regress is logically impossible
Posted: Wed May 08, 2024 2:05 pm
by socrattus
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:43 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:27 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 2:24 pm
No, by point I just mean a point.
A point doesn't mean anything.
A point in ... what?
A point does mean something. It is an idea that can help us to understand some other ideas like simultaneous process.
The universe is in an endless and eternal cycle of evolution from the structure
of quantum particles to macrocosmic and macro-biological systems.
Re: Infinite regress is logically impossible
Posted: Wed May 08, 2024 11:55 pm
by Age
socrattus wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 2:05 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 8:43 pm
Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 21, 2023 6:27 pm
A point doesn't mean anything.
A point in ... what?
A point does mean something. It is an idea that can help us to understand some other ideas like simultaneous process.
The universe is in an endless and eternal cycle of evolution from the structure
of quantum particles to macrocosmic and macro-biological systems.
Some people just do not accept this irrefutable Fact, and instead they prefer to just believe that the Universe came from absolutely nothing, or, came from some thing, which they have a great deal of trouble explaining what that thing is, exactly.
Re: Infinite regress is logically impossible
Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 2:38 pm
by Lorikeet
Infinite regress is how static representations deal with their inability to represent cosmic flux.
Paradoxes are mostly the product of linguistics...math being a kind of language.
Human mind - organic minds - must reduce all dynamic processes into a form it can process and store - abstractions.
Then humans take these representations literally.