Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
Age wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 8:28 am
If 'this' is what seems to 'you', then 'this' is what seems to 'you', correct?
BUT what seems to 'you', can be false or wrong, right?
Obviously. That is utterly implicit in the word 'seems'.
GREAT, 'this' HAS NOW BEEN RESOLVED.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
Do you use the word seems in situations where you think you cannot be wrong?
NO.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
And let me return the question. When you say LOL and then assert judgments of people you are interacting with, can you be wrong about those judgments?
1. WHEN do 'you' think was the LAST TIME I USED the 'lol' letters?
2. WHEN I USE the letters 'lol' 'you' do NOT YET even KNOW what 'it' MEANS and/nor REFERS TO, EXACTLY.
3. 'We' WILL HAVE TO WAIT, and SEE, IF 'I' WAS WRONG, or NOT.
4. ONLY through Truly OPEN and Honest DISCUSSIONS 'we' CAN SEE IF 'I' WAS WRONG.
5. I do NOT, usually, IF EVER, SAY 'things' WITHOUT being ABLE TO back 'them' up and support 'them' FULLY. So, IF 'I' AM WRONG, or NOT, 'we' WILL HAVE TO WAIT, TO SEE, IF ABSOLUTELY ANY one QUESTIONS, and/or CHALLENGES 'me' OVER those 'lol's' and ASSERTED 'judgments'.
By the way, if I did NOT ADD nor INCLUDE the 'seem' word, IN WITH those ASSERTED JUDGMENTS, then this UTTERLY IMPLIES that I do NOT SEE what I AM SAYING and CLAIMING AS BEING WRONG.
BUT IF 'you' or ANY one "else" would like to QUESTION and/or CHALLENGE 'me', then PLEASE DO.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
So, 'language' can contain 'information', which 'we' can 'go into', and/or 'share', through mediums like books, true?
I said, language is involved.
'you' ALSO SAID and CLAIMED OTHER 'things'.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
Further, I am focusing on the use of language to elicit. If you are not interested fine.
AND, IF 'you' ARE NOT INTERESTED in JUST PROVIDING A 'Yes' OR A 'No' ANSWER, TO the YES or NO CLARIFYING QUESTION posed, and ASKED TO 'you' here "iwannaplato", then ALL WELL and GOOD.
ALSO, by what 'you' just SAID here, are 'you' SUGGESTING that "others" ONLY 'focus' ON what 'you' WANT TO, and ARE, ONLY 'focusing' ON here?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
WHY would 'it' SEEM 'this way', TO 'you'.
I have explained that elsewhere in other interactions with you.
ONCE AGAIN, 'you' SEEM to HAVE COMPLETELY and UTTERLY MISSED the ACTUAL QUESTION being ASKED TO 'you' here.
What information/knowledge do 'you', ACTUALLY, HAVE in regards to 'this place', which 'you' talk ABOUT and ARE IMAGINING here?
I didn't talk about the place. I was talking about you. [/quote]
'you' WERE SPECIFICALLY talking ABOUT SOME 'place', when 'you' WERE SPECIFICALLY SAID and STATED, WITH the WORDS, '
whenever/wherever you are from/at.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
It seems like you are from somewhere else or somewhen else, given the way you talk, judgmentally, about people here.
OF COURSE 'this' IS 'what' SEEMS LIKE, TO 'you'.
This IS WHY I ASKED 'you', 'Why would 'it' SEEM 'this way', TO 'you'?'
Now, IF 'you' EVER ASKED 'me' A CLARIFYING QUESTION, BEFORE 'you' MADE AN ASSUMPTION, and JUMPED TO SOME CONCLUSION, then 'you' could have VERY EASILY and VERY SIMPLY FOUND OUT that I WAS ASKING 'you', 'WHY would 'it' SEEM LIKE, TO 'you', that 'I' AM FROM SOMEWHERE ELSE. Which OBVIOUSLY REFERS TO, 'ANOTHER PLACE', does 'it' NOT?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
And yet you seem to share qualities with the people here that you judge in us.
'you' seem to think that 'judging people' is somehow WRONG, or NOT the RIGHT 'thing' TO DO. Is 'this' correct?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
Okay. AND 'you' KNOW 'this' HOW, EXACTLY?
No, please, you first.
ONCE AGAIN, WHEN CHALLENGED, and/or QUESTIONED, it WAS VERY POPULAR for 'these people', BACK THEN, TO RETREAT.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
You assert that peace comes about via the process you mentioned. How do you know this happened?
BECAUSE I HAVE LIVED 'it', PERSONALLY, or 'FIRST HAND', as some would say.
Now, HOW do 'you' KNOW that FOREVER MORE 'peace' can NOT 'come about' through AGREEMENT?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
Okay. So 'you' and "others" can NEVER EVER AGREE on the definitions of words, NOR on what those words are MEANING and/nor ARE REFERRING TO, EXACTLY.
Very binary thinking on your part. It's a specturm, which I believe I mentioned.
The ONLY REAL 'thing' 'you' MENTIONED here WAS: '
No, that will not/is not how peace comes about'.
Was 'this way' of thinking NOT 'binary thinking' and/or NOT 'Very binary thinking', on 'your' part?
AND, WHERE, EXACTLY, did 'you' mention that 'it' IS A 'spectrum'? Also, what does the 'it' word here even REFER TO, EXACTLY?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
GOT 'you'.
Now, If 'I' AGREED WITH 'you' ON 'this', then 'this agreement' would NEVER EVER bring about peace among NOR between 'us' right "iwannaplato"?
The lack of peace between us has to do with how you interact and not the meanings of the words you use (alone).
FOR 'you', does 'it'?
Also, and by the way "iwannaplato", could 'you' be MAKING Wrong ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT the ACTUAL WAY that I AM ACTUALLY INTERACTING here?
Could it be A POSSIBILITY that I am interacting in A WAY to PORTRAY SOME 'thing' that IS NOT ACTUALLY OCCURRING?
Could I be MAKING SOME 'thing' APPEAR here, or even SEEM LIKE, but which is NOT REALLY HAPPENING, and OCCURRING?
Could what has been ACTUALLY OCCURRING and HAPPENING here be DISCOVERED, and/or UNCOVERED, through DELVING DEEPER and MORE THOROUGHLY INTO 'things' here?
Or, does what FIRST APPEAR, or SEEM LIKE, TO 'you', what IS ACTUALLY and/or IRREFUTABLY what IS True?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
You're are a very judgmental person, with a lot of judgments about people here in the world.
Unless I AM MISTAKEN, and PROVEN Wrong, then I have ONLY REALLY JUDGED just 'one', and that IS ALL of 'you', adult human beings, TOGETHER and/or COLLECTIVELY.
Also, IS there ANY 'thing' ACTUALLY Wrong WITH BEING VERY JUDGMENTAL, if the JUDGMENTS MADE can be PROVEN True, Right, Accurate, AND Correct?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
The anger you have about this comes out in an extremely condescending passive aggressive approach to people.
Could it be A POSSIBILITY that, ACTUALLY, there is ABSOLUTELY NO ANGER here, from 'me', and ANY and/or ALL 'anger' that 'you' PERCEIVE is just AN ASSUMPTION and/or A FIGMENT OF 'your' IMAGINATION, ONLY?
Or, is ANY of 'this' NOT A POSSIBILITY?
ACTUALLY, could of THE WAY, which 'you' were RAISED and BROUGHT UP, hitherto, be affecting THE WAY 'you' ARE LOOKING AT and SEEING 'things' here?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
We could spend an eternity agreeing on the definitions of words and your attitude would still be a problem.
1. What IS the ACTUAL PERCEIVED 'problem' here?
2. Could 'my' ACTUAL ATTITUDE BE DIFFERENT FROM what 'you' ARE PERCEIVING, and IMAGINING, here?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
Or as you would say LOL LOL LOL + some judgment.
Considering the Fact that WHEN I SAY, WRITE, and USE 'LOL' here 'you' do NOT YET EVEN KNOW what THE DEFINITION IS, JUST MAYBE IF 'you' EVER STOP PRESUMING 'things', JUDGING 'me', and STARTED ASKING CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, then 'you' MIGHT FIND OUT what I ACTUALLY MEAN, which MIGHT THEN just INFLUENCE and CHANGE 'THE WAY' 'you' LOOK AT, PERCEIVE, and SEE 'THE WAY' I AM, and HAVE BEEN, INTERACTING here.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 7:27 am
Yes, you can shift how clear this is on a spectrum, but the process you want to engage in cannot even keep up with the changes that are happening.
AND 'you' KNOW 'this' HOW, EXACTLY?
Have 'you' TRIED 'this'?
How do you know that your approach to people here is different/better and will lead to harmony?[/quote]
ONCE MORE, 'they' WILL NOT ANSWER MY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS posed, and ASKED, TO 'them', BUT 'they' WANT 'me' TO ANSWER 'their' CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
1. I have NEVER EVER even SUGGESTED that 'my approach', to people here, would lead TO 'harmony'. In Fact the OPPOSITE could be QUITE TRUE.
2. WHY did 'you' CHANGE FROM talking ABOUT 'the process', regarding AGREEMENT, to 'my approach'?
3. Will 'you' now ANSWER the two CLARIFYING QUESTIONS I posed, and ASKED 'you' here.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 7:27 am
Further it shows a misunderstanding of what language is.
REALLY?
Now, 'this' implies that 'you' ALREADY KNOW what 'language' IS, EXACTLY.
Would 'you' now like to INFORM 'us' of what language IS, EXACTLY?
No, I'll take a lesson from your approach.[/quote]
'you' could NOT be MORE CONFUSED here "iwannaplato".
I just about ALWAYS ANSWER the CLARIFYING QUESTIONS posed, and ASKED TO 'me'.
So, for 'you' to NOT ANSWER is NOT TAKING A LESSON FROM 'my approach' AT ALL.
In fact 'you' ARE, AGAIN, just DOING what 'you' USUALLY and NORMALLY DO here. As can be CLEARLY SEEN above here.
BUT I DO NOT 'imply' BELIEFS, AT ALL, IN what I SAY and WRITE here. RATHER, 'you' 'infer' BELIEFS, IN what I SAY and WRITE here.
'you' ASSUME I HAVE BELIEFS, IN what I SAY and WRITE. BUT A/NOTHER READING WITHOUT 'this ASSUMPTION' WILL SHOW and REVEAL OTHERWISE.
AGAIN, I would HAVE TO HAVE BELIEFS, FIRST, BEFORE I COULD ASSERT 'them'.
SURE, I ASSERT 'things', but 'they' ARE CERTAINLY NOT BELIEFS.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
Claim not to have any (except one).
Is there ANY 'thing' Wrong WITH 'this'?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
Then given everyone you meet the onus to justify their postions.
Well if one comes INTO a 'philosophy forum', and does NOT EXPECT that the 'onus' IS ON 'them' TO JUSTIFY 'their position/s', then JUST MAYBE a 'philosophy forum' is NOT 'the place' FOR 'them'.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
Intersperse judgments of them and the people of this time.
AGAIN, is there ANY 'thing' Wrong WITH MAKING and/or INTERSPERSING 'JUDGMENTS', in and of ITSELF?
For example if someone does some 'thing', and IS JUDGED TO BE DOING SO, then 'what', EXACTLY, IS Wrong WITH 'this', IF there IS ANY 'thing' Wrong WITH 'this'?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
Be condescencing and judge.
Are 'you' ABSOLUTELY 100% IRREFUTABLY SURE that I am BEing 'condescending', and/or have EVER BEEN 'condescending' here?
By the way, if 'you' EVER get around to LEARNING, COMPREHENDING, UNDERSTANDING, and KNOWING WHO 'I' AM, EXACTLY, then 'you' will NOT SEE 'I' BE-ing 'Judge' as being Wrong in ABSOLUTELY ANY WAY AT ALL.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
Repeat until they feel sick.
Some people ALSO 'feel sick' when they are continually TOLD how 'good' they are, and/or how 'loved' they are.
ABSOLUTELY EVERY one VIEWS and SEES 'things' DIFFERENTLY.
Now, if 'you' KNOW of A WAY where one CAN COMMUNICATE IN 'A WAY' that does NOT MAKE ABSOLUTELY ANY one so-called 'feel sick', then PLEASE WILL 'you' let 'me' KNOW?
Also, and by the way, can 'you', human beings, MISINTERPRET 'the way' "others" ARE COMMUNICATING, and ESPECIALLY SO IN 'a forum' through WRITTEN WORDS, ALONE?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
So, LOL, you think you don't have beliefs? LOL
What do 'you' MEAN by 'LOL' here, "iwannaplato"? And,
Do 'you' think, PRESUME, and/or BELIEVE that 'I' HAVE BELIEFS?
If yes, then what are 'they', EXACTLY?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
Is IT?
What 'we' HAVE here is ANOTHER PRIME example of one NOT READING, and NOT SEEING and UNDERSTANDING, what I HAVE ACTUALLY SAID and WRITTEN here.
Is it?
YES, VERY, VERY MUCH SO.
Now, if ABSOLUTELY ANY one would like to FIND OUT and SEE WHY, then just ASK the, right, CLARIFYING QUESTION/S.
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
What 'we' HAVE here is ANOTHER PRIME example of AGE not adding anything to a conversation, NOT READING, and NOT SEEING and UNDERSTANDING, or responding to what I have said.
Do 'you' REALLY BELIEVE that I have NOT 'responded' to what you have SAID here, and/nor NOT 'added' ABSOLUTELY ANY 'thing' to A 'conversation' here?
And, what do 'you' think or BELIEVE I have NOT READ, NOT SEEN, and/or NOT UNDERSTOOD here?
Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2023 9:03 am
It is like the words that I SPECIFICALLY CHOSE to ADD IN do NOT get READ, and SEEN.
Now WHY could this be?
Could it be that a way that the human brain WORKS, in combination WITH the BELIEF-system, does NOT ALLOW 'them' to SEE nor HEAR some, particular, 'things'?
Like your own blindspot about what you are doing, here, at the time this is being written.
1. SEE HOW 'they' do NOT WANT TO FIND OUT what 'they' MISSED and/or MISUNDERSTOOD.
2. What is 'it', EXACTLY, ABOUT what 'I' AM DOING here, 'now', at the time this is being written, which 'you' SAY and/or BELIEVE I am BLIND TO?
If the earth revolves around the sun, then the earth revolves around the sun. And NO amount of fighting AGAINST 'this Fact' makes 'the Fact' NOT TRUE.
It's good to see the great certainty you have regarding your own beliefs.
[/quote]
AGAIN, what do 'you' think or BELIEVE are 'my OWN BELIEFS' here?
And, 'you' do NOT YET FULLY REALIZE HOW CERTAIN I AM REALLY AM, of what I KNOW and UNDERSTAND here.