Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:59 am
Age wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 3:00 am
So, if even you OBJECT to the making of 'life' WORSE, then what 'meaning' does 'life' even HAVE, for you?
I could tell you some of the things I consider worthwhile in my own life. They would only be things of value to me, though, and would not have any objective worth. Is that what you mean by, "meaning"?
More or less. What 'meaning' ONE 'thing' HOLDS for 'itself', ONLY, REALLY is, literally, NOT that MEANINGFUL, NOR IMPORTANT, IN ANY WAY AT ALL.
BUT,
NO one is going to KNOW if what 'meaning' one is HOLDING onto is of VALUE to that 'self' ONLY or for absolutely EVERY one. So, ONLY when people START SHARING what they consider 'meaningful' and 'worthwhile' in their lives, and what 'things' are of VALUE to them, ONLY THEN can thee ACTUAL SHARED 'meanings', 'worthiness', and 'value' of 'things' can BECOME Truly KNOWN, and FULLY UNDERSTOOD.
SEE, what IS Truly MEANINGFUL, WORTHWHILE, and VALUABLE, in Life, is SHARED, COMMONLY, by and with EVERY one.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:59 am
If that is not what you mean by the word, will you explain what you do mean by it?
I think I was MEANT to write 'purpose' instead of 'meaning' there, but without looking back I can NOT be sure. But what I think I was trying to get out of you was IF you would OBJECT to making 'Lfe' WORSE, then what 'purpose' could there be to 'Life', itself?
That is; IF there is an INTERNAL and INSTINCTUAL OBJECTION to making 'Life', Itself, WORSE, then that could mean the 'purpose' to 'Life', 'living' and 'being alive' could just be to make 'Life', Itself, BETTER, for EVERY one.
And, what I MEAN by the word 'meaning' is just more or less how one 'defines' A word. After all the words 'definition' and 'meaning' MEAN more or less the EXACT SAME 'thing'.
See, to me, if ANY one Truly WANTS to SEE, FIND, and KNOW the 'meaning' of ANY 'thing', like 'Life', for example, then all that have to REALLY DO is just LOOK IN A 'dictionary'. And, THE 'dictionary' I LOOKED IN defined the word 'Life' as
'living; being alive'. Which, in other words, just MEANS that 'the meaning of Life' is JUST
living; being alive.
And, to me, there is NO REAL 'purpose' in making
living; being alive WORSE. But, I FOUND a LOT OF 'purpose' in making 'Life',
living; being alive BETTER, and for NOT just SOME but for ALL and EVERY one, VERY PURPOSEFUL, and VERY REWARDING TOO, I will add.
SEE, 'the purpose of' 'Life', Itself, is the EXACT SAME for 'the purpose of' human life is the EXACT SAME.
Also, 'making Life better' is best NOT conflated with 'making a better life'. As the latter is usually referred to in regards to ONLY some, and a ONLY TO a VERY FEW usually VERY CLOSE family and friends ONLY.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:59 am
And, if not, why not?
I hope I NEVER MISS EXPLAINING what is ASKED FOR, from me.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:59 am
If you would LIKE TO continue on with this discussion could ACTUALLY STOP or PREVENT one from just living PERFECTLY 'happily', then best you provide some examples of what you think or BELIEVE would be a so-called 'person tragedy', 'mental illness', and a 'physical illness' that would STOP or PREVENT 'you' or "another" from living PERFECTLY 'happily'?
I was married to an alcoholic, which amounted to two people living in a state of misery.
Those who are labelled and named "alcoholics" are 'that way' BECAUSE of some PREVIOUS 'state of misery', in childhood. Which, it WILL BE FOUND, MEANS that WHEN ALL adult human beings LEARN HOW to LIVE PERFECTLY HAPPILY, AND are DOING SO, which, by the way, is FAR SIMPLER and FAR EASIER then FIRST ENVISIONED, in the days when this is being written, then NO child lives in ANY 'state of misery', then ALL the ADDICTIONS, like above, which people 'grow up' WITH end up VANISHING, COMPLETELY.
Also, could it be POSSIBLE that 'your partner' could BLAME becoming 'an alcoholic' BECAUSE of 'the partner' that they were married to?
Or, was the WHOLE CAUSE and BLAME of the 'state of misery' ON BOTH of 'you' SOLELY BECAUSE of 'your partner's' LOVE OF, or ADDICTION TO, alcoholic beverages?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:59 am
Some people manage to come through that with a happy ending, but we didn't, and many others don't. Watching someone you love gradually destroying themselves, and having no power to prevent it, is one instance of what I would call personal tragedy.
Are you suggesting here that there was ABSOLUTELY NO 'thing' AT ALL, in Life, that you could have done to HELP 'that situation'?
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:59 am
Just switch on the news if you want more examples of it. I'm not an expert on mental illness, so I might be sticking my neck out when I say it is not possible to live happily with clinical depression, or severe schizophrenia.
WHEN you COME TO LEARN and UNDERSTAND HOW and WHY these 'things' CAME INTO Existence, then you WILL BE CLOSER to SEEING and UNDERSTANDING HOW to PREVENT such 'things', and HOW TO LIVE PERFECTLY HAPPILY, FOREVER MORE.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:59 am
Physical illness can leave some people in constant pain, or severely restrict their ability to lead the life they need to be happy.
LOL We are BACK TO 'living the life that one NEEDS', 'to be happy'.
What WAY does one NEED, in order to live 'their life' HAPPILY?
And, to you, is there ONE WAY for EVERY one, or, MANY DIFFERENT WAYS for the MANY DIFFERENT people that exist?
To me, there is A WAY, and this ONE WAY, is RESOLVED by REMOVING the DISTORTED THINKING that there ARE DIFFERENT WAYS of 'living', which DIFFERENT people 'NEED', in order to just BE HAPPY.
BUT, I am STILL SOME WAY YET of being ABLE TO express and share 'this way' FULLY, CONCISELY, PRECISELY, and PROPERLY.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:59 am
AGAIN, if you would LIKE TO continue with this discussion, then you will HAVE TO list some examples of what CERTAIN so-called 'personality types', which are, SUPPOSEDLY, completely and utterly UNABLE to be 'happy'.
I can't list "personality types", I'm not a psychologist.
Okay. So, 'you' are NOT a "psychologist" NOR a "mental illness expert", YET you still CLAIM that, to you, there seem to be certain 'personality types' who are unable to be happy, BUT you can NOT name those so-called "personality types" of 'human beings'.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:59 am
I have known people who always seem to be miserable, regardless of what is happening in their lives.
OF COURSE THERE WERE, in the days when this WAS being written.
HAVING TO 'grow up' IN, and ENDURE, 'that world', which existed when this was being written, then the fact that there were MANY people who could NOT find ANY REAL and True HAPPINESS, even AT ALL, is PERFECTLY UNDERSTAND, and EVEN PERFECTLY REASONABLE.
But, OBVIOUSLY, when 'that world' CHANGES, then SO TOO do OTHER 'things', like, for example, people's HAPPINESS.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:59 am
I can't know, of course, what they are experiencing emotionally,
BUT, ACTUALLY you CAN LEARN, and KNOW.
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Feb 04, 2023 11:59 am
so if you don't want to regard this as evidence of anything, we can discount it.
WOW that was a Truly WEIRD 'thing' to just COME UP WITH and ASSUME here. Well to me anyway.