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Pluto wrote:The artwork as masterpiece where the artist has put in time is a mirror commodity of the capitalist system in which the artist resides. Art is more than the system in which it finds itself and so plays other games which do not fall into the systems trap of subsumption. Hard work shows itself in many different forms. A work which houses the values of the system in which it is made is not art. If! That system is corrupted and unethical.

The concept of masterpiece is a bourgeois notion of class differentiation

Being a lazy **** is not an excuse. I don't give a rat's arse about how much it fucking costs, and I don't give a toss about the Art's Council and the trappings of the Art Establishment. I know what a masterpiece is to me, and I don't give a fart for you bullshit pseudo-art inverted class snobbery that you would drop in a heartbeat if you were awarded an Art's Council Grant, because the type of shite you make is exactly what gives the art establishment a hard-on.

Not so, my work is too anti establishment to as yet be recognised as art by the body that has the power to deem what is and isn't. My work bows to no art grant or council, I have come too far to sell it short and make it into a promotional tool for the benefit of corrupted art institutions. The work must go beyond the horizons set by power and its institutions. And not promote these institutions. So when the MOMA say, we want to show a number of your works, as a revolutionary artist, I must say no way, go fuck yourself. Only from this position would something truly great start to show itself.

Pluto wrote:The concept of masterpiece is baloney and elitist

Well your work isn't elitist but it does qualify on the other criterion.

Pluto wrote: I must say no way, go fuck yourself. Only from this position would something truly great start to show itself.

Good for you, Pluto, for not selling out. Stick to your principles and never learn to draw.

Never learn to draw? Do you think the drawing below is made by someone who cannot draw?

Pluto wrote:Not so, my work is too anti establishment to as yet be recognised as art by the body that has the power to deem what is and isn't.

No, your art is of the right type, but just too throw away. it's absurd to call it anti-establishent.

My work bows to no art grant or council, I have come too far to sell it short and make it into a promotional tool for the benefit of corrupted art institutions. The work must go beyond the horizons set by power and its institutions. And not promote these institutions. So when the MOMA say, we want to show a number of your works, as a revolutionary artist, I must say no way, go fuck yourself. Only from this position would something truly great start to show itself.

There is nothing revolutionary about your work. You are just kidding yourself. I've seen much better crap at the Tate, that is also lazy and limited in content.

Pluto wrote:Never learn to draw? Do you think the drawing below is made by someone who cannot draw?

before the storm.jpg

Now you are just taking the piss

A drawing superior in all respects.

Well, it's always good to get feedback no matter who it's from. The towers holding hands is not bad, funny actually, which is an odd thing to be as it's such a serious subject. The Belgian artist Luc Tuymans made this image in response to the attacks:

http://www.saatchigallery.com/artists/a ... l_Life.htm

Pluto wrote:Well, it's always good to get feedback no matter who it's from. The towers holding hands is not bad, funny actually, which is an odd thing to be as it's such a serious subject. The Belgian artist Luc Tuymans made this image in response to the attacks:

http://www.saatchigallery.com/artists/a ... l_Life.htm

It did not take you long to U-turn. Why are you posting material from the evil and corrupt art establishment?

The holding hands is something done by the artist with friends on a daily basis. It reflects the artistic personal culture. It is not funny. You misinterpreted.

Why are you posting material from the evil and corrupt art establishment?

Things aren't that simple.

Pluto wrote:

Why are you posting material from the evil and corrupt art establishment?

Things aren't that simple.

hypocrite

hypocrite

Dinosaur

Pluto wrote:

hypocrite

Dinosaur

Oh look you best piece of work - and in your favourite colour too.



My mistake - this probably took more effort than what you call art.

Ha, now you're using your brains dino. My shit is better than yours.