Thundril wrote:
Can you say what you mean by the 'fluid' please?
Fluid/Flux is a term derived from the per-Socratic Greeks who used the metaphor of water.
It's purpose is to define or describe a state where no absolute state is evident or even necessary, as it would signify a singularity, an absolute which would entail the end of existence.
The absolute, the perfect, the ordered does not require to change for what would it change into if it were already complete, absolute, perfect?
some have tried to get around this problem by simply changing definitions: now perfect, means that which changes....and perfect means that which alters.
This is like saying that beauty is ugliness...a usage of semantics.
The simplest way to perceive the reality of what is occurring is to sense it in yourself; you are a part of reality, a product of reality and so your sensations are interpretations of reality.
Do you feel perfect, complete, ordered, godly?
Is not your sensation of need/suffering an indication of your lack and your dependence?
Can the perfect, the complete, the ordered be defined as that which lacks and is dependent and contingent?
The way around this is to evoke some "outer perspective", a viewpoint form outside the real (from the unreal), from outside existence (non-existence) and to claim that life, sensation, perception is all an illusion.
This means that all of existence is a product of a grand conspiracy; a testing phase, a joke.
Thundril wrote:Some interesting ideas here. Do you think we prefer to look to the past rather than the future because the past appears fixed?
the pas its unchangeable...and we like the idea of being master's of our own destiny.
This is why modern psychologies are fed the notion of free-will and counter-determinism which is essentially both a self-contradicting paradox and a dismissal of the unchangeable and unavoidable past.
Notice how progressiveness is always a "looking forward" and an overcoming of the past.
What lays forward, if we take cosmology as our starting point?
Entropy.
What does entropy man?
Fragmentation, disordering, ignorance, immersion in the absolute nothingness.
Let us assume that entropy will attain its final destination of absoluteness, what does this mean?
No matter, no order in other words; no life, no distinction...a uniformity....an emptiness.
If existence/activity then the world is tending towards coldness...which means an absence of activity/energy.
If space is expanding and space is possibility, then this tendency means that absolute chaos would entail that all was possible...including the
Big Bang, which is the almost absolute.
If you think about the metaphor of the Big Bang then it is order....or near order - the almost completed singular. It is not complete or perfect since it explodes into activity, and order is an absence of activity as it is the occupation of all possibilities simultaneously. If you are all things at the same time then you are, by definition, inactive.
The hungry man acts, not the one who is full. It is the man you lacks that creates, not the man who lacks nothing: God.
Creation, like all actions, is an act of need. Need is a sensation of change, change is an indication of an absence, a lack.
You feel this in your bones every time you get hungry or thirsty or bored or hot or cold or horny.
Thundril wrote:Could it not be that we pay more attention to the past than we do to the future simply because it is more knowable?
But we don't pay attention to our past...in modern times we are trained to ignore it, to dismiss it to consider it surpassed, based, primal.
To
Know Thyself is to know your past. But not only to know it, but to understand it to accept it.
That's what self-consciousness is...that's why animals lack it more than humans.
In pagan cultures humans honored their past, through their father who was a representation of their ancestors. They honored and respected him.
This is paternalism.
Where do you see this today?
Look at the world around you, forget I am telling you, look at is honestly, courageously, as honestly as you can...what do you see?
Lost minds seeking meaning, direction, identity.
But identity is your past.
Do they nor denounce the past, to free themselves from it?
Are thy not trained, educated, brain-washed to do so as to enslave them to the current?
Why is the family, as a reproductive unity, in decline?
Because in heterogeneous populations it resists uniformity and integration.
In order to integrate masses of people with nothing in common but their biology into one cohesive unity you must eliminate all other sources of identity: you must clean their minds, brain "wash" them. Then they grab onto the first identity you offer them like a drowning man does a life-raft.
Eliminate their genetic past, their culture their family connections, as Christianity does, and you get a desperate lost soul you then "save" and it worships you as it would a Savior.
Make it believe that it is not its sex, its race, its bloodline, its heritage...it is nothing, void....then call this "freedom".
Then offer it a new identity: the ambiguity and alienation of humanity, materialism and its abstraction, hedonism and its escapes....you have a slave on your hands ready to take on any identification it is offered to replace the one it was stripped of.
Thundril wrote:Again, might it not equally be that the idea of symmetry is an intellectual tool, which is so often useful that we associate it with intelligence?
Then meditate upon it on your own.
What is knowledge if not the ordering of information into codes, then represented as symbols?
Is not science all about categories?
What is understanding if not the recognition of a pattern which you then use to predict a phenomenon's activities?
Do I embody the other, or do I find repeating pattern in it which I then find in myself or in other patterns?
Knowledge is an ordering.
Beauty has been defined as a symmetry of form...the Greeks made art using this knowledge which we still admire.
Thundril wrote:Whereas the apple's
entire future may be determined by its aesthetic effect on you?
Yes...that's why consciousnesses, awareness, is a looking back.
When we perceive a phenomenon by the time the sense organ interacts with the intervening phenomenon, such as light or air (sonar) or electromagnetism (touch) and by the time the pulse gets to the central processing point of the brain, gets analyzed and then integrated into a mental model...an abstraction...the phenomenon itself has altered in whatever infinitesimal degree it has altered.
You always perceive reality in the past...making the past and how much of it you perceive an indication of your consciousness in general.
You adjust your actions in accordance with this perception which determines YOU future not the apples. The phenomenon, the apple, does not give a shit about how you perceive it or value it or judge it....but how you do so does determine YOUR future.
This is why perceptions and awareness and consciousness matter and are such dominant factors in survival and dominance over others.
