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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
Though Thrasymachus is a skilled rhetorician, he is unable to avoid losing his argument to Socrates.

was socrates more skilled then? or should i write "is socrates.."?

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Good catch Mark.

Perhaps I meant to say, Though Thrasymachus is a skilled rhetorician he is unable to avoid losing his argument to Socrates.

If that is what you meant?


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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
Good catch Mark.
Perhaps I meant to say, Though Thrasymachus is a skilled rhetorician he is unable to avoid losing his argument to Socrates.
If that is what you meant?

nice try. i still didnt get it. is there some universal law, god or gods doing that? or was it plain accident? or was socrates more skilled?

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Still not sure I'm understanding you Mark but I am sure it is safe to say that in whatever way you wish to interpret that sentence would be fine.






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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
Still not sure I'm understanding you

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Mark Question wrote:

Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
Good catch Mark.
Perhaps I meant to say, Though Thrasymachus is a skilled rhetorician he is unable to avoid losing his argument to Socrates.
If that is what you meant?

nice try. i still didnt get it. is there some universal law, god or gods doing that? or was it plain accident? or was socrates more skilled?

so, what is causing that Thrasymachus is unable to avoid losing his argument to Socrates?
universal law? like gravity is causing that i cant avoid falling down if i make my leap of fate from roof top? or is it allmighty god that is forcing socrates to win? or is it accident that socrates wins? or is socrates more skilled if he wins skilled opponent? or is socrates more lucky one?
how hard case can we do this?

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Those seem to be very important questions for you.



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um, somehow Mark, me thinks you have an answer...and you want to share it.



Please do...





If it were me, I would take the sentence, Though Thrasymachus is a skilled rhetorician he is unable to avoid losing his argument to Socrates, at face value.



Again, Mark, feel free to interpret the sentence in any way that seems fit to you.


I honestly don't know what to add...





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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.
I would take the sentence, Though Thrasymachus is a skilled rhetorician he is unable to avoid losing his argument to Socrates, at face value.
feel free to interpret the sentence in any way that seems fit to you.
I honestly don't know what to add...

should i do, feeling as free and honest, like you do your interpreting in a way that seems fit to you?

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Bill Wiltrack wrote:Yes

why?




ps. if everybody do, as free and honest, like you do your interpreting in a way that seems fit to you, then would there be as many interpretions about that socrates-story as there was interpreters? quite a many in earth? does it sound like relativism?

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Yes Mark.

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Not only is it important that we interpret everything here individually but it is imperative.


And, when you think about it, it couldn't be any other way.


Interpret away Mark! And feel GREAT about it!



Thank you for asking this important question. I am happy to to explore this and other ideas with one of The Most Important Philosophers of Our Time...



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Mark Question wrote:

Bill Wiltrack wrote:Yes

why?
ps. if everybody do, as free and honest, like you do your interpreting in a way that seems fit to you, then would there be as many interpretions about that socrates-story as there was interpreters? quite a many in earth? does it sound like relativism?

Bill Wiltrack wrote:Yes Mark.

so, are you relativist then? follower of relativism? is that in a relativist point of view, as good as any ism to follow, like e. g. nazism or bushism? in another words, all points of view are equally valid?

'across an untamed prairie one's footprints must always be altering, that was the condition of the world, the only one that mattered, the only one for art." Loren Eiseley