Re: Excel to Analyze Quranic Verses in 1400 Themes - Useless??
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:55 pm
Veritas, do you understand that a verse could have more than 1 theme associated with it per interpretation?
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Yes, one verse can have up to 10 themes within my listing.attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:55 pm Veritas, do you understand that a verse could have more than 1 theme associated with it per interpretation?
So have you worked out how to do a 1 to Many relationship in Excel (1:M) ?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:09 amYes, one verse can have up to 10 themes within my listing.attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:55 pm Veritas, do you understand that a verse could have more than 1 theme associated with it per interpretation?
I don't think the relation of 1 to Many relationship is very useful.attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 1:27 pmSo have you worked out how to do a 1 to Many relationship in Excel (1:M) ?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:09 amYes, one verse can have up to 10 themes within my listing.attofishpi wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:55 pm Veritas, do you understand that a verse could have more than 1 theme associated with it per interpretation?
Not very useful? Normalisation of information is the epitome of structured information in the form of databases.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 3:21 amI don't think the relation of 1 to Many relationship is very useful.attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 1:27 pmSo have you worked out how to do a 1 to Many relationship in Excel (1:M) ?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 8:09 am
Yes, one verse can have up to 10 themes within my listing.
Not very sure of your point re "1 to Many"attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:24 amNot very useful? Normalisation of information is the epitome of structured information in the form of databases.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 3:21 amI don't think the relation of 1 to Many relationship is very useful.attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 22, 2024 1:27 pm
So have you worked out how to do a 1 to Many relationship in Excel (1:M) ?
Niot sure what you mean re 200 variables.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:33 amNot very sure of your point re "1 to Many"attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:24 amNot very useful? Normalisation of information is the epitome of structured information in the form of databases.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 3:21 am
I don't think the relation of 1 to Many relationship is very useful.
Perhaps an example re the Quran might help.
As I had explained, I have one theme, say 'infidel' and this is linked to many other variables, say 200. Would that be your '1 to Many'?
Why do you say there's no need to "data mine" the Quran? Is it inaccurate to do so?FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 8:31 amPutting the Quran into a spreadsheet was a dumb and pointless idea. There is no need to data mine the Quran.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 5:33 amYou are ignorant.FlashDangerpants wrote: ↑Mon Mar 18, 2024 9:15 am
I told you from the beginning. I told you years ago, and I never needed backup. You are the one whoraised a thread looking for people to support your madness, and now you see there are none.
That's completely mad. You have an insane obsession with lists and hierarchies. You think you can solve all the problems by just making lists and sorting them, that's what all your bullshit is always actually about. It usually doesn't work because it so often isn't sane. This thing with the Quran being just a particulalryl obvious one that anybody can tell at a glance is madness.
Are you familiar with Data Science.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_science
The minor subject here is Data Analysis which previoulys was Data Mining.
My above is Data Analysis re the Quran.
Obviously we have to intelligence enough to establish an objective that is relevant for the individual or humanity.
Yes to,attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 24, 2024 7:02 pmNiot sure what you mean re 200 variables.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:33 amNot very sure of your point re "1 to Many"attofishpi wrote: ↑Sat Mar 23, 2024 5:24 am
Not very useful? Normalisation of information is the epitome of structured information in the form of databases.
Perhaps an example re the Quran might help.
As I had explained, I have one theme, say 'infidel' and this is linked to many other variables, say 200. Would that be your '1 to Many'?
It's been donkeys years since I've done any database normalisation, and certainly this is a rather odd data set!
So seems to me you have a M:M (many to many) relationship between VERSE:THEME (thus many verses can have many themes, and many themes can have many verses)
The combination of these two could have the AI generated "weight" % (I think that was what you ultimately were after) - SINCE the combination of THEME\VERSE would uniquely identify a 1 relationship to the WEIGHT.
Thus THEME:VERSE:WEIGHT_VALUE
With this in mind can you think of any other FIELD values you might want?
If these THREE fields are all you need, now you have an understanding of how the data will be stored in the database (in this case excel) you can start thinking of how you are going to PROMPT the AI into analysing the Quran such that it assigns THEMES to VERSES and with those two fields combined, provide a unique WEIGHT_VALUE per combination.
At least, it is possible to do categorize Islam into themes, because Islam has definitive documentation.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:07 am I have already done it, when I try to ask AI to do an analysis of the themes of the Quran based on certain criteria, AI was reluctant giving excuses it has to follow guidelines. However, AI did advise me my own analysis using a spreadsheet.
The above analyze the above into 16 themes which is quite informative but not VERY informative in contrast to analyzing in into main themes with 1400 sub themes.
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So, because, "alice in wonderland", is documented, it does not need to defend itself, right?godelian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:35 amAt least, it is possible to do categorize Islam into themes, because Islam has definitive documentation.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:07 am I have already done it, when I try to ask AI to do an analysis of the themes of the Quran based on certain criteria, AI was reluctant giving excuses it has to follow guidelines. However, AI did advise me my own analysis using a spreadsheet.
The above analyze the above into 16 themes which is quite informative but not VERY informative in contrast to analyzing in into main themes with 1400 sub themes.
Discuss??
Views??
Where is the definitive documentation for atheism or its otherwise completely undocumented moral theory? It is baffling that atheists try to compete using their undocumented views against something that is completely documented.
The inferiority of atheism stems from its complete lack of documentation. Isn't that obvious? Something that is documented does not need to defend itself from something that is undocumented. Seriously, how could the undocumented thing possibly be an alternative?
No, it means that we have something to discuss because at least it is clear what it is. Go ahead and criticize "alice in wonderland". Why not?
An undocumented thing cannot possibly be an alternative to "alice in wonderland" because we cannot even read it. So, what is there to talk about?
What is the use if a theistic religion has definitive documentation but its documented charter sanction evil acts.godelian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 5:35 amAt least, it is possible to do categorize Islam into themes, because Islam has definitive documentation.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 17, 2024 4:07 am I have already done it, when I try to ask AI to do an analysis of the themes of the Quran based on certain criteria, AI was reluctant giving excuses it has to follow guidelines. However, AI did advise me my own analysis using a spreadsheet.
The above analyze the above into 16 themes which is quite informative but not VERY informative in contrast to analyzing in into main themes with 1400 sub themes.
Discuss??
Views??
Where is the definitive documentation for atheism or its otherwise completely undocumented moral theory? It is baffling that atheists try to compete using their undocumented views against something that is completely documented.
The inferiority of atheism stems from its complete lack of documentation. Isn't that obvious? Something that is documented does not need to defend itself from something that is undocumented. Seriously, how could the undocumented thing possibly be an alternative?
At least it lends itself to verification. Where can we verify your alternative?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:26 am The fact is the definitive documentation enable the verification that the religion is inherent evil as supported by the relevant verses.
Religion is a moral theory, i.e. a definition for good and evil. Since you want to judge religion in terms of another definition for good and evil, where can we find your alternative definition?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:26 am An definitive documented religion that is evil laden is verified by its contents which is agreeable by all rational people.
I have discussed >100 threads relating to morality in the Ethical Theory section.godelian wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:37 amAt least it lends itself to verification. Where can we verify your alternative?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:26 am The fact is the definitive documentation enable the verification that the religion is inherent evil as supported by the relevant verses.
Religion is a moral theory, i.e. a definition for good and evil. Since you want to judge religion in terms of another definition for good and evil, where can we find your alternative definition?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Mar 25, 2024 8:26 am An definitive documented religion that is evil laden is verified by its contents which is agreeable by all rational people.