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Harbal wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:57 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:26 pm

AN_ARCH_Y (take out any part of the ARCH, and the KEYSTONE will fall, the ARCH in fact will collapse, much like society under anarchy).

U = you
O = owe
Y = why

HELL O (our standard greeting embedded with such 'evil' consideration)
EVIL - reversed: LIVE ...it IS very hard to live when God is testing your faith, with evil.
DEVIL - reversed - LIVED.
DOG - a man's best friend. Reversed GOD.
BILL.....................B_ill......Be ill...cos u gotta pay them!
MONEY...............MONE_Y....moan why? ....cos u gotta earn it!
LEARN.................L_earn...learn to earn!
WEEK...................WEAK........too hard to make a week without that fix
FORTNIGHT..........FOUGHT NIGHT.........try the whole fought night to break its grip
PROPHET...............Profit......as so many have over the millenias
BIBLE...................BUY BULL.............not satisfied with the dogma (Question the bible)
DOGMA..................AM GOD..............bible dogma?
SON......................SUN of God........."I am the light"
RAPE.....................R_APE.................OUR APE
CHEAT...................C HEAT...............SEE HEAT...sometimes love burns.
HEAVEN................HEAVE n......Heave, work and strive to build utopia, our heaven.
JUSTICE...............Man's "JUSTICE" - JUST_ICE ...in comparison to God's JUSTICE.
SOLES...............We walk on them. ....SOULS.
SOLES................have a HEEL, can we HEAL our SOULS?
REALITY............REAL_IT_Y? ...did we evolve into an efficient simulation?
Worship..............Worse hip...all that kneeling down to pray is bad for the joints.
Preach.............P reach....how far up the wall can you urinate?
Devine............De vine...from whence cometh de grapes for de communion wine.
lol. I appreciate the effort.

PASTOR....ROT_SAP (God needs no fool to interpret the buy_bull)
MISS.......(love)
MR..........missed her? (love)
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Harbal I forgot..

WORSHIP did use to intrigue me.......WOR_SHIP......WAR_SHIP.....ROW_SHIP.... :D
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Re: a theory of language...

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attofishpi wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:26 pm
commonsense wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:58 pm The same is true for words that reference concepts.
Yeah right?...and apparently it is more rational to believe in natural word etymology and that these below words with their linked logical concept connections are just a mere coincidence rather than ANY form of intelligent backbone to reality causing them to be such.



AN_ARCH_Y (take out any part of the ARCH, and the KEYSTONE will fall, the ARCH in fact will collapse, much like society under anarchy).

U = you
O = owe
Y = why
HELL O (our standard greeting embedded with such 'evil' consideration)
EVIL - reversed: LIVE ...it IS very hard to live when God is testing your faith, with evil.
DEVIL - reversed - LIVED.
DOG - a man's best friend. Reversed GOD.
BILL.....................B_ill......Be ill...cos u gotta pay them!
MONEY...............MONE_Y....moan why? ....cos u gotta earn it!
LEARN.................L_earn...learn to earn!
WEEK...................WEAK........too hard to make a week without that fix
FORTNIGHT..........FOUGHT NIGHT.........try the whole fought night to break its grip
PROPHET...............Profit......as so many have over the millenias
BIBLE...................BUY BULL.............not satisfied with the dogma (Question the bible)
DOGMA..................AM GOD..............bible dogma?
SON......................SUN of God........."I am the light"
RAPE.....................R_APE.................OUR APE
CHEAT...................C HEAT...............SEE HEAT...sometimes love burns.
HEAVEN................HEAVE n......Heave, work and strive to build utopia, our heaven.
JUSTICE...............Man's "JUSTICE" - JUST_ICE ...in comparison to God's JUSTICE.
SOLES...............We walk on them. ....SOULS.
SOLES................have a HEEL, can we HEAL our SOULS?
REALITY............REAL_IT_Y? ...did we evolve into an efficient simulation?


Apparently all the above LOGIC to these KEY words relating to life\God are random coincidence...BULLSHIT.


The Tree of Knowledge.
There is a Ledge when you eat from the Tree:--- KNOW_LEDGE.

BARK up the TREE of KNOWLEDGE ...SAP....LEAVE.
A man's best friend is a Dog - reversed - God - BARK protects the tree. SAP (a fool) feeds nutrients to the tree. LEAVES - leave the tree...do you twig?

PARANOID...............PA ANNOYED......God is v annoyed when you return to the Tree of Knowledge.
PARANOYA..............PA ANNOYA........God will annoya in the most evil way.


Of course, I am just the SAP.
Did you think that I said that the connections between words and their target concepts are random?
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commonsense wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:46 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:26 pm
commonsense wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 2:58 pm The same is true for words that reference concepts.
Yeah right?...and apparently it is more rational to believe in natural word etymology and that these below words with their linked logical concept connections are just a mere coincidence rather than ANY form of intelligent backbone to reality causing them to be such.



AN_ARCH_Y (take out any part of the ARCH, and the KEYSTONE will fall, the ARCH in fact will collapse, much like society under anarchy).

U = you
O = owe
Y = why
HELL O (our standard greeting embedded with such 'evil' consideration)
EVIL - reversed: LIVE ...it IS very hard to live when God is testing your faith, with evil.
DEVIL - reversed - LIVED.
DOG - a man's best friend. Reversed GOD.
BILL.....................B_ill......Be ill...cos u gotta pay them!
MONEY...............MONE_Y....moan why? ....cos u gotta earn it!
LEARN.................L_earn...learn to earn!
WEEK...................WEAK........too hard to make a week without that fix
FORTNIGHT..........FOUGHT NIGHT.........try the whole fought night to break its grip
PROPHET...............Profit......as so many have over the millenias
BIBLE...................BUY BULL.............not satisfied with the dogma (Question the bible)
DOGMA..................AM GOD..............bible dogma?
SON......................SUN of God........."I am the light"
RAPE.....................R_APE.................OUR APE
CHEAT...................C HEAT...............SEE HEAT...sometimes love burns.
HEAVEN................HEAVE n......Heave, work and strive to build utopia, our heaven.
JUSTICE...............Man's "JUSTICE" - JUST_ICE ...in comparison to God's JUSTICE.
SOLES...............We walk on them. ....SOULS.
SOLES................have a HEEL, can we HEAL our SOULS?
REALITY............REAL_IT_Y? ...did we evolve into an efficient simulation?


Apparently all the above LOGIC to these KEY words relating to life\God are random coincidence...BULLSHIT.


The Tree of Knowledge.
There is a Ledge when you eat from the Tree:--- KNOW_LEDGE.

BARK up the TREE of KNOWLEDGE ...SAP....LEAVE.
A man's best friend is a Dog - reversed - God - BARK protects the tree. SAP (a fool) feeds nutrients to the tree. LEAVES - leave the tree...do you twig?

PARANOID...............PA ANNOYED......God is v annoyed when you return to the Tree of Knowledge.
PARANOYA..............PA ANNOYA........God will annoya in the most evil way.


Of course, I am just the SAP.
Did you think that I said that the connections between words and their target concepts are random?
No, of course their target concepts are not random, but they have far more logical connection to concepts than what natural language etymology could develop (naturally) - that there is another intelligent 'hand' at play here.
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attofishpi wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:55 pm
commonsense wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:46 pm
attofishpi wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 4:26 pm

Yeah right?...and apparently it is more rational to believe in natural word etymology and that these below words with their linked logical concept connections are just a mere coincidence rather than ANY form of intelligent backbone to reality causing them to be such.



AN_ARCH_Y (take out any part of the ARCH, and the KEYSTONE will fall, the ARCH in fact will collapse, much like society under anarchy).

U = you
O = owe
Y = why
HELL O (our standard greeting embedded with such 'evil' consideration)
EVIL - reversed: LIVE ...it IS very hard to live when God is testing your faith, with evil.
DEVIL - reversed - LIVED.
DOG - a man's best friend. Reversed GOD.
BILL.....................B_ill......Be ill...cos u gotta pay them!
MONEY...............MONE_Y....moan why? ....cos u gotta earn it!
LEARN.................L_earn...learn to earn!
WEEK...................WEAK........too hard to make a week without that fix
FORTNIGHT..........FOUGHT NIGHT.........try the whole fought night to break its grip
PROPHET...............Profit......as so many have over the millenias
BIBLE...................BUY BULL.............not satisfied with the dogma (Question the bible)
DOGMA..................AM GOD..............bible dogma?
SON......................SUN of God........."I am the light"
RAPE.....................R_APE.................OUR APE
CHEAT...................C HEAT...............SEE HEAT...sometimes love burns.
HEAVEN................HEAVE n......Heave, work and strive to build utopia, our heaven.
JUSTICE...............Man's "JUSTICE" - JUST_ICE ...in comparison to God's JUSTICE.
SOLES...............We walk on them. ....SOULS.
SOLES................have a HEEL, can we HEAL our SOULS?
REALITY............REAL_IT_Y? ...did we evolve into an efficient simulation?


Apparently all the above LOGIC to these KEY words relating to life\God are random coincidence...BULLSHIT.


The Tree of Knowledge.
There is a Ledge when you eat from the Tree:--- KNOW_LEDGE.

BARK up the TREE of KNOWLEDGE ...SAP....LEAVE.
A man's best friend is a Dog - reversed - God - BARK protects the tree. SAP (a fool) feeds nutrients to the tree. LEAVES - leave the tree...do you twig?

PARANOID...............PA ANNOYED......God is v annoyed when you return to the Tree of Knowledge.
PARANOYA..............PA ANNOYA........God will annoya in the most evil way.


Of course, I am just the SAP.
Did you think that I said that the connections between words and their target concepts are random?
No, of course their target concepts are not random, but they have far more logical connection to concepts than what natural language etymology could develop (naturally) - that there is another intelligent 'hand' at play here.
I think you saw my "Yeah right?" as sarcasm...when I meant "Yes mate!" - there we go on that lan_gauge problem u from your shore me from unsure. :D
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Re: a theory of language...

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attofishpi wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:01 am
attofishpi wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:55 pm
commonsense wrote: Mon Sep 05, 2022 6:46 pm

Did you think that I said that the connections between words and their target concepts are random?
No, of course their target concepts are not random, but they have far more logical connection to concepts than what natural language etymology could develop (naturally) - that there is another intelligent 'hand' at play here.
I think you saw my "Yeah right?" as sarcasm...when I meant "Yes mate!" - there we go on that lan_gauge problem u from your shore me from unsure. :D
Yeah, right!
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commonsense wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 1:10 pm Yeah, right!
This post of yours could have been the worst of my night. My phone makes a specific noise from notifications of PHN - I went to grab da phone, and knocked an almost empty glass (an official Guiness glass, 1 of 4 that my mate at the local bottlo gave me) onto the floorboards....and it did not break!! yay!

I grabbed a cloth to clean it, but my dog, my best mate Donnie, well - it's the ONLY beer he likes (i rarely buy a carton cos i get doopid, but if i do he gets one beer) ...he was there cleaning the "mess" up and enjoying it. So I gave him his favourite treat afterwards - a smacko.

Happy Days :D

..oh yeah, and all that shit for a repeat of "Yeah, right!" ....u total bastard! :mrgreen:
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attofishpi wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 1:29 pm
commonsense wrote: Tue Sep 06, 2022 1:10 pm Yeah, right!
This post of yours could have been the worst of my night. My phone makes a specific noise from notifications of PHN - I went to grab da phone, and knocked an almost empty glass (an official Guiness glass, 1 of 4 that my mate at the local bottlo gave me) onto the floorboards....and it did not break!! yay!

I grabbed a cloth to clean it, but my dog, my best mate Donnie, well - it's the ONLY beer he likes (i rarely buy a carton cos i get doopid, but if i do he gets one beer) ...he was there cleaning the "mess" up and enjoying it. So I gave him his favourite treat afterwards - a smacko.

Happy Days :D

..oh yeah, and all that shit for a repeat of "Yeah, right!" ....u total bastard! :mrgreen:
I once had a dog who was allowed one beer per day, but only after 5 PM.
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OK.

So I find the ALPHABET used around the majority of Europe very interesting and hope someone of academia might shed some light upon its origins.

Clearly the more you go East the more whacky it gets..!

However.

The fact that I could read a German paragraph to a German - based purely on the fact that the alphabet phonetics permit this German to comprehend what I am reading - such that he/she understands it (even though I don't) I find amazing - and this goes for French, Spanish, Italian etc...of course with hiccups in da phonetics - but generally speaking and reading - someone of that particular linguistic language comprehension = will comprehend what I am reading (even though I would not)

Does anyone here have academic knowledge of the substrate of the words we use in Europe - the true eyymology of the alphabet and development per phonetics?
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That's what Google is for, mate. But the clue to the answer is the last word in your post.
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Peter Kropotkin wrote: Fri Sep 02, 2022 8:35 pm In composing some responses of late, I have gotten to thinking
about language... what is the exact relationship between
words and objects?

for example, I think the word "table" but does this word ''TABLE"
actually mean anything? Is my thinking of the word "table"
actually correspond to what we would think of as a "table?"

What I am thinking about is what Hume said about "cause and effect"
the example he used was this, "The sun will rise tomorrow."...
but how do we in fact know that the sun will rise tomorrow?
we don't... it is an assumption, one form from habit, and use,
but having no real connection... the statement, "The sun will rise
tomorrow" and the actual sun rising tomorrow has no relationship...
two distinct and separate statements that don't connect in any way,
shape or form... we connect them from habit and usage, but in fact,
they are not connected..

and so it goes for the word "table" and an actual table... from habit
and usage, we connect the word "table" with an actual table,
but in fact, there is no connection between the word "table"
and an actual table....they are two distinct and separate words
that have no connection outside the connection we give them
from habit or superstition or custom.. as Hume himself says,

'' custom alone makes us expect for the future, a similar train of
events with those which have appeared in the past"

and what does this thought that there is no connection between words
and their objects actually mean? The entire analytical tradition of
"Linguistic analysis" is based on a flawed idea that words are identical
to the objects that they portray.. in other words, the word "table''
is the same thing as the object of the table.. that they are identical...
and they are not... the only relationship the word "table''
has to the physical object of table is found in our custom or habits
of connecting the two words..

not only isn't there a universal understanding of the word "table",
there isn't even an individual understanding of the word, table...
the word "table" has no connection to an actual table...

I could just as easily call a "table" a blork' or a uggan, or a blreag...
and it would just as easily stand for a table...
take for instance, Tisch.... as an American, the word "Tisch" means
nothing to me... I cannot make any type of connection from the
word "Tisch" to any other word... or perhaps the word "mesa"...
how do I connect the word "mesa" with any other word? or perhaps
the word "stol." or perhaps "stul"... it is from
habit and custom that I might be able to connect each of these
words with their being identical with their physical objects...
which in this case is the English word, "table".. Tisch is the
German word, table... but I cannot know that before the fact..
in other words, we learn words from experience.. not from
theory...

so what concrete physical object can I connect the word "love" to?
so many of our words have no concrete, physical existence.....
so how do I connect these words to each other if they
no physical presence? simply by habit, superstition, custom...
and that is the only connection that the word "table"
and the object table has...from habit, custom, superstition that
we connect the two ideas...

Kropotkin

Some words don't refer to things or events in space-time. Instead some words refer to attributes of things in space time , attributes that are abstracted from things or events in space-time. Such a word is 'love'. For instance take the proposition " I love you " . 'Love' may be abstracted from the concept of that particular relationship.

Numbers are abstracted from space-time things or events. Numbers are attributes of space-time things or events. For instance take the proposition " There are eleven competitors in the race".
'Eleven' may be abstracted from the concept of that particular race .

The utility of the abstract is the abstracted attribute may be attached to other particular things or events.
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