The Absolute Nature of the "I"

[Dontaskme]

"Nothing exists; even if something exists, nothing can be known about it; and even if something can be known about it, knowledge about it can't be communicated to others." - Dontaskgorgias

You need to rethink this, as it is self-evident nonsense.

There is no such sense as a 'sense' that is not a sense. Sense can never be NON-sense.

Reality has no need to make sense. Reality is ultimately meaningless. Don't try to make sense out of that which makes no sense.

The mind is like a pair of scissors that can apparently cut reality in two - but cannot be used to make it one.

Existence is a paradox. Everything is being generated by one consciousness. So not only are we all cut from the same cloth, and not only are we also the cutter of cloth, but we are essentially the cloth cutting itself with itself.

promethean75's quote was beautifully put. Existence itself is possible only through contradictions.

[Dontaskme]

Ok, how is the subject-object relation an illusion? The statement that subject and object stand or fall together is an illusion, you need to clarify how this could be so. The subject object relation is apparent reality.

Because the Absolute can only be relative to itself only. Therefore, the apparent subject / object divide is only illusory.
As for WHY or HOW... there is no why or how...that would be like asking how or why is anything happening at all.
The answer is unavailable in this immediate unknowing mystery that is life.

You are pointing out that there really is no divide between subject and object? This is taken for granted and simply used to analyze the relations of parts/elements. Are you saying that knowledge of apparent reality does not belong to the subject, it certainly does not belong to the object? Are you saying together subject and object are absolute and thus nothing can be known? The mystery of life I'll give you that, but so far, the rest sounds like nonsense. You must remember that in the absence of a conscious subject the world is meaningless, biology and its reactions to the energies present provide experience/knowledge/meaning after which the subject then bestows said meaning onto a meaningless world. To say the subject has no knowledge of apparent reality is nonsense, one would not be able to move in the world. Apparent reality is a biological readout, meaning it is biological reactions which create for the subject the world of objects or the physical world.

Subject and Object are ONE - There is No One being One. There is only THIS ONE

So the mystery can never be understood by the mind which cuts one into two things (this APPARENT subject / object divide) albeit illusory, within the artificial dream of separation.
However, you are the mystery which is too close to you to be known or penetrated. One is a mystery only for the mind. For itself it is not a mystery.


If it were a mystery it would be somehow unknown or unexperienced, in which case whatever is being experienced, would be something other than the mystery. But what would they be made of? There is nothing other than being or consciousness out of which they could be made.

There is the knowing of being.

[popeye1945]

Did you characters even read what I posted?

[promethean75]

Gorgias the Gorgeous said that not me homes. i wuz just reminded of the quote when once again observing DAM's radical skepticism.

Yeah clearly what he's saying ain't true about all statements, language and knowledge in general. Plus, if what he says is true, it's not true, becuz Gorgias would indeed be conveying a communicable truth with what he's said... In which case he refutes himself.

What he needed to provide wuz a Wittgensteinian ladder caveat and he'da been good.

[Eodnhoj7]

I belongs to all life forms, for the essence of I is life itself. There is only one biology on earth and that is carbon-based biology and life forms differ only in structure and form not in essence. I= experiencing being alive.

Biology occurs through the non-biological and as such the "I" is interspersed within everything.

Please clarify, non-biological? I belongs to the inanimate as well?

Non-biological and biological are relative opposites that do not exist given the composition of both, i.e. atoms, necessitates a oneness.

As to the relative 'inanimate':

1. All is grounded in atoms.
2. Atoms are thus consciousness.
3. Consciousness is self-referentiality.
4. Atoms reference atoms.
5. Atoms are aware.
6. Atoms as aware is everything as aware given atoms result in everything.
7. Consciousness is universal.

[popeye1945]

Biology occurs through the non-biological and as such the "I" is interspersed within everything.

Please clarify, non-biological? I belongs to the inanimate as well?

Non-biological and biological are relative opposites that do not exist given the composition of both, i.e. atoms, necessitates a oneness.

As to the relative 'inanimate':

1. All is grounded in atoms.
2. Atoms are thus consciousness.
3. Consciousness is self-referentiality.
4. Atoms reference atoms.
5. Atoms are aware.
6. Atoms as aware is everything as aware given atoms result in everything.
7. Consciousness is universal.

Perhaps that is why it is said subject and object stand or fall together; some of what you state is conjecture, through fascinating conjecture. I would venture to say that if consciousness is considered, it would have a pre-condition for lack of a better word, and that precondition would be feelings. Feelings that go all the way down and develop at least in the animate world, into what we consider conscious feelings having the precondition of attraction and repulsion or part and parcel of what feelings bring thought.

[Dontaskme]

The reflection of the "I" upon the "I" results in the "I" without comparison as only the "I" exists; the "I" is thus no-thing and as such is absolute considering no-thing cannot change because no-thing is absent of change.

[popeye1945]

I am the experience of being alive, this is the essence of all organisms that differ only in structure and form.