marxism: if it were the 'real' deal

[henry quirk]

his tendency to override his own values in order to prescribe what decisions all free thinkers must make (which are of course exactly the same as every choice Henry would tell them to make).

citation, please

[FlashDangerpants]

his tendency to override his own values in order to prescribe what decisions all free thinkers must make (which are of course exactly the same as every choice Henry would tell them to make).

citation, please

Your explanation for why you wouldn't respect property rights for the wrong sort of people was that Free People would all choose not to transact with them.

But look at the video promethean dude gave you. There's no actual reason why free thinkning persons wouldn't choose that lifestyle and system, but you are going to say that none of them would and tat any who did aren't free.

The simple fact is that your description of free thinkers has always been rigidly conformist.

[Immanuel Can]

just a reminder, guy...

Tell me how Marxism is supposed to work: paint me a picture of a working Marxist community, society, nation if the citizens, workers, etc. got it right.

I don't wanna read theory, no: I wanna read your vision of application.

Yeah, I'm not seeing anything...just a lot of attempting to get Marxism a "win" by complaining about how "bad" some alternative is. But I haven't seen a word about how this Marxist game is supposed to play out.

You're right, Henry: "Where's the beef?" There's no positive, Marxist "meat" on the table right now, just a lot of complaining about the alternatives and the status quo.

[henry quirk]

Your explanation for why you wouldn't respect property rights for the wrong sort of people was that Free People would all choose not to transact with them.

I believe I sumthin' about a moral people.


There's no actual reason why free thinkning persons wouldn't choose

yep, there's the operative word: choose.


you are going to say that none of them would and tat any who did aren't free.

I'm gonna say what I say when someone posts their vision of the real deal.


The simple fact is that your description of free thinkers has always been rigidly conformist.

citation, please.

[henry quirk]

just a reminder, guy...

Tell me how Marxism is supposed to work: paint me a picture of a working Marxist community, society, nation if the citizens, workers, etc. got it right.

I don't wanna read theory, no: I wanna read your vision of application.

Yeah, I'm not seeing anything...just a lot of attempting to get Marxism a "win" by complaining about how "bad" some alternative is. But I haven't seen a word about how this Marxist game is supposed to play out.

You're right, Henry: "Where's the beef?" There's no positive, Marxist "meat" on the table right now, just a lot of complaining about the alternatives and the status quo.

yep...what I expect is a whole lotta theory and diversion and not a jot of what Pro or flash or mick thinks a real deal communism or socialism would look like.

[henry quirk]

We can all do that, henry:

Tell me how the Kingdom of God is supposed to work: paint me a picture of a working Christian community, society, nation if the citizens, workers, etc. got it right.

I don't wanna read theory, no: I wanna read your vision of application.

Who's first?

From time to time, apparently demented folks without earbuds can be seen in public places such as libraries or parks giggling to themselves, the gigglers being those who don’t wear the tormented mask of schizophrenia under a raggedy bandanna posing as a covid shield. Perhaps they’re thinking things like, “I’d surely like to think about eating steak on this fine day, but because other folks are probably thinking about eating something else, such as ice cream, I guess we can’t discuss steak … or what the ideal of Marxism is supposed to be for the individual.

After all, consideration of the individual, especially one extra-special individual, is human nature.

Considering that Marxists are morons, there’s probably not a whole lot to discuss about that anyway. It’s a tired old trudge. The road to Marxism first requires destruction of whatever is … be it the crumbling Royal power structure, or a democratic republic corrupted by crony capitalism, and outright bribery by China.

Crummy conditions that follow the necessary destruction of what is serves to lock the masses into limited personal horizons, with high priorities in life becoming the daily grind such as guessing the time of the next rolling blackout, or what time of the morning the market will get it’s one weekly shipment of meat, until meat gets banned by the propaganda machine as a climate threat.

Under Marxism, Mediocrity thus becomes the aspiration. Under Marxism, the genius who could have built the next great thing is also intelligent enough to see where it will get him … an extra ration of gruel and hopefully not noticed by the next ruler who needs not play by the same rules as the common folk.

The baseline is a hovel and a bowl of gruel. From there one can become a good systems manipulator, then it’s the perks of life. A home on the lake, a mistress, steak twice a week, and so on according to one’s proclivities.

Did you know that man’s activities on earth are now causing tornadoes? Just listen to Biden, and the weather maniacs.

[henry quirk]

his trivial Marxism=Slavery rhetoric

my trivial assessments about who is a slaver aren't confined to marxists

pretty much I condemn everyone, anyone, who presumes to exercise authority over folks without the unanimous consent of those folks

no one is safe from my crackpot, tin foil hat, trivial, criticisms

[Immanuel Can]

Every time we get to the question, "What would your Marxism look like?" it goes reeeeeeeallly quiet.

[henry quirk]

Every time we get to the question, "What would your Marxism look like?" it goes reeeeeeeallly quiet.

And it's puzzlin'...I'm not askin' for a comprehensive thing, not lookin' for every insignificant detail: just broad stroke it...doesn't even have to be complete.

see here...

viewtopic.php?f=13&t=34097

...for an example.

[trokanmariel]

First, the premise that a system of exchange is the virtue of civilization would have to be dispensed with.

[henry quirk]

First, the premise that a system of exchange is the virtue of civilization would have to be dispensed with.

so: what's the replacement?



paint a picture, trok, of what could be, not of what needs to go

[mickthinks]

paint me a picture of a working Marxist community ...

Sure!

In no particular order...

Folks would be more fulfilled (cuz no alienation).

More folks would create (cuz there'd be more freedom and no suppression of talent ).

Gun ownership would be unnecessary and considered weird.

The population would be level because people would know and care not to overburden the next generation with destructive environmental pressure.

Justice would be merciful because understanding would replace anger.

Everyone would be law makers .

Contracts would be expressions of friendship and would be honoured as such.

Money wouldn't matter.

[promethean75]

The short answer to 'what would a Marxist society look like' might be something like this.

Probably the biggest noticable difference from western capitalist societies would be: people would work less and have more. Pretty simple and mundane, really. No fireworks and champagne, I'm afraid.

And here you thought we'd all be transformed into some creepy futuristic borg society with dark blue matching work suits and given numbers instead of names. Gotta lay off the Orson Wells and Alex Jones, y'all.

Anyway, why would you ax what a Marxist society would look like? Nobody was sweating Adam Smith to describe what a free market would look like in the feudalism days, were they? What do you want me to do, Henry, build a time machine and go check the future real quick? Get a'hold of yourself, Henry!

[FlashDangerpants]

just a reminder, guy...

Tell me how Marxism is supposed to work: paint me a picture of a working Marxist community, society, nation if the citizens, workers, etc. got it right.

I don't wanna read theory, no: I wanna read your vision of application.

Yeah, I'm not seeing anything...just a lot of attempting to get Marxism a "win" by complaining about how "bad" some alternative is. But I haven't seen a word about how this Marxist game is supposed to play out.

You're right, Henry: "Where's the beef?" There's no positive, Marxist "meat" on the table right now, just a lot of complaining about the alternatives and the status quo.

yep...what I expect is a whole lotta theory and diversion and not a jot of what Pro or flash or mick thinks a real deal communism or socialism would look like.

I'm a neoliberal globalist running dog in league with Soros! I support cross border flows of capital, people and goods in a multipolar world with well functioning intranational and supranational treaties to provide the reliable protection of rule of law without preference or prejudice. I only ever look like a commie from the perspective of ultra hard right hyperartizan nutjobs. Actual commies would probably compare me to Thatcher.

So I'm not the guy to promote Marxism, I just don't think your arguments against it are very coherent or useful and I think yours are less bad than Mannie's.

Also, Promethean gave you a perfectly sensible Youtube link with a 15 minute video presentation of some of the positions he favours. Given that you have wasted so many hours complaining about Marxism on this site where there aren't usually any commies to complain to, you might as well watch it to know your enemy while you actually have access to one of them.

I know this site is nearly always nothing but bullshit, but you are actually in a position to hold a relevant debate for once in your life, so maybe do that.

[henry quirk]

so: what kinda drugs or bionic brain implants or genegineering would these marvelous marxists use to create these glorious neo-humans? (cuz they don't exist right now)