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it seems proof of life is what you're talking about. I am that I am is revelation, of one's self to one's self, and to anyone or thing else. but the only existence necessary is one's self to be revealed to one's self in order to be alive. though that in and of itself is an action, no physical action is required.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:48 am "I think therefore I am" necessitates the "I" as existing through an action that stems from it. "Think" can be replaced with "x" thus showing the "I" as existing through the actions which form it. Action is existence as that which acts is a mode of change as change itself. All being is grounded in change thus to change is to prove existence. The "am-ness" of "I" is the change of "I" reflecting upon itself from a seperate vantage point thus expressing the change of "I" from one state to multiple states.
All being occurs through observation. Observation is an action.attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:59 pmI only identifies the 'eye' of the beholder - in this case - consciousness - the fact that the I the 'eye' is consciously aware (of the fact that it perceives)
Observation and thought is an action. Action is not limited to what is physical.DPMartin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:39 pmit seems proof of life is what you're talking about. I am that I am is revelation, of one's self to one's self, and to anyone or thing else. but the only existence necessary is one's self to be revealed to one's self in order to be alive. though that in and of itself is an action, no physical action is required.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:48 am "I think therefore I am" necessitates the "I" as existing through an action that stems from it. "Think" can be replaced with "x" thus showing the "I" as existing through the actions which form it. Action is existence as that which acts is a mode of change as change itself. All being is grounded in change thus to change is to prove existence. The "am-ness" of "I" is the change of "I" reflecting upon itself from a seperate vantage point thus expressing the change of "I" from one state to multiple states.
If consciousness is an action, then so what? Consciousness would not exist without the action of events within atomic matter (in this case our brains)Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:43 pmAll being occurs through observation. Observation is an action.attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:59 pmI only identifies the 'eye' of the beholder - in this case - consciousness - the fact that the I the 'eye' is consciously aware (of the fact that it perceives)
what do you think I just said? if you're thinking and aware of it, that is acknowledging that one's self is. I am that I am.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:45 pmObservation and thought is an action. Action is not limited to what is physical.DPMartin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:39 pmit seems proof of life is what you're talking about. I am that I am is revelation, of one's self to one's self, and to anyone or thing else. but the only existence necessary is one's self to be revealed to one's self in order to be alive. though that in and of itself is an action, no physical action is required.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Feb 07, 2021 2:48 am "I think therefore I am" necessitates the "I" as existing through an action that stems from it. "Think" can be replaced with "x" thus showing the "I" as existing through the actions which form it. Action is existence as that which acts is a mode of change as change itself. All being is grounded in change thus to change is to prove existence. The "am-ness" of "I" is the change of "I" reflecting upon itself from a seperate vantage point thus expressing the change of "I" from one state to multiple states.
The "I" repeats itself through variation, much in the same manner 2,3,4...etc. are variations of 1 repeating itself into newer form.attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:55 pmIf consciousness is an action, then so what? Consciousness would not exist without the action of events within atomic matter (in this case our brains)Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:43 pmAll being occurs through observation. Observation is an action.attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 7:59 pm
I only identifies the 'eye' of the beholder - in this case - consciousness - the fact that the I the 'eye' is consciously aware (of the fact that it perceives)
Again, so what is your point?
I read it wrong.DPMartin wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 4:17 pmwhat do you think I just said? if you're thinking and aware of it, that is acknowledging that one's self is. I am that I am.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 10:45 pmObservation and thought is an action. Action is not limited to what is physical.DPMartin wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 5:39 pm
it seems proof of life is what you're talking about. I am that I am is revelation, of one's self to one's self, and to anyone or thing else. but the only existence necessary is one's self to be revealed to one's self in order to be alive. though that in and of itself is an action, no physical action is required.
I'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that I am conscious of observing an apple, but then I look at at orange..that the 'I' has changed?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:17 pmThe "I" repeats itself through variation, much in the same manner 2,3,4...etc. are variations of 1 repeating itself into newer form.attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:55 pmIf consciousness is an action, then so what? Consciousness would not exist without the action of events within atomic matter (in this case our brains)
Again, so what is your point?
Yes.attofishpi wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:07 amI'm not sure I follow. Are you saying that I am conscious of observing an apple, but then I look at at orange..that the 'I' has changed?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 6:17 pmThe "I" repeats itself through variation, much in the same manner 2,3,4...etc. are variations of 1 repeating itself into newer form.attofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 1:55 pm
If consciousness is an action, then so what? Consciousness would not exist without the action of events within atomic matter (in this case our brains)
Again, so what is your point?