Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:09 pm
Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 1:05 pm
WHY blame "islam" and what some so called "muslims" do to so called "christians"?
I did not say these words. They are yours.
I ALSO did NOT say these words, by themselves. This is just YOUR narrowed presentation of my words.
What I actually said, which you "conveniently" left part of it out was:
So, IF 'you', a so called "christian", do not want you nor "christianity" to be blamed for what some so called "christians" do to "muslims", then WHY blame "islam" and what some so called "muslims" do to so called "christians"?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:09 pm I did not talk about "Muslims," or even about "Islam."
The point I was 'trying to' get across was, You said you do not regard yourself a member of that "christendom" that kills "others". You also do not think that that killing has any thing to do with your nor with christ. Well the exact same principle applies to the majority of those called "muslims" do not think that when so called "muslims" kill "others" then that has much to do with them nor with islam.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:09 pmI only asked if the statistic given above was true or not, and what the associated argument made by someone else was.
It was NOT the only thing you asked, which is evidenced in your post.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:09 pmHang on I have heard "american" presidents say they FIGHT and will KILL "others" in the name of God and/or "christianity".
I have not heard this.
If you listen harder or deeper behind what some people say, you might hear that they fight AND kill in the name of God.
These poor and disillusioned individuals actually think they are 'fighting evil', and thus doing God's work, by killing "others". This poor individuals do not even recognize that it is THEM who is doing wrong and causing MORE EVIL in the "world".
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:09 pmBut if you had, then you will hear in life a great many things that will turn out not to be true.
For example?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:09 pmYou can judge by the measure of consistency between what Christ Himself told such a person to do, and what that same person actually does. Christ said we were to judge in just that way.
Judge in what way?
In the way 'you', adult human beings, do the exact opposite of what you say to do and say not to do, as told to you by "jesus"?
If yes, then it would be about time ALL of 'you', adult human beings, just STOPPED, took a good long LOOK AT yourselves, were OPEN and Honest ALL of the wrong doing that you ALL do, and then just do what it takes to change, for the better. Not necessarily for your own selves but for the ones who are Truly IMPORTANT, and that is ALL of your CHILDREN?
Of, do 'you', adults, NOT even recognize, let alone SEE, the amount of inconsistency between what "jesus" told 'you', and what 'you' actually do?
From what I have observed a huge majority of the ones who are so called "christians" are the MOST inconsistent with "jesus's" teachings.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:09 pmThe majority of 'you', so called "christians", are less "christian" and more hypocritical than the ones you HATE.
Wouldn't it be convenient if this were true? But as I said, you will find there are a great many untrue ideas in this world.
Provide examples of how this is supposedly untrue.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:09 pm Statistically, what you are saying has proved obviously wrong, historically.
With what proof AND evidence do you have?
But even were it true, it would not invalidate Christianity; it would only show that nobody here was presently practicing it.[/quote]
What I have said has NEVER been about 'invalidating' what "jesus" has said at all. In fact the very opposite is True. What "jesus" says validates itself.
What I have been saying is that at present, when this is written, adult human beings have just about lost ALL the True aspects of ALL religions and of the ones who started talking about or introducing them.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:09 pmIt is WRONG to list the statistics of any wrong doing,
That cannot be the case, for at least two reasons: firstly, that SOME statistic has to be true; and to ask if this one is it is not wrong. But secondly, in calling this action "wrong," you would yourself be guilty of making this one out to be one of the wrong statistics -- and you would be doing the very thing you're saying we ought not to do.
What I FIND MORE WRONG is when people like 'you', "immanuel can", leave out ALL of what I have actually written and thus said, and ONLY reply to a part of what I have actually said as though that is the truth of things. This I FIND a very sneaking and cunningly deceptive way to behave. Some say this is exactly like HOW adam and eve were deceived.
What I actually WROTE and SAID was:
It is WRONG to list the statistics of any wrong doing, and then using that statistic as an acceptable reason to 'try to' argue for your own self-interest and already held BELIEFS against "another" group of human beings.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:09 pmWhat makes this worst is the statistics on the "side" that is being argued for is "better" when the statistics are FAR WORSE.
This is a bad argument. According to that logic, if I kill two people it's okay, because my neighbour killed three.
But that was OBVIOUSLY NOT any "argument" I was making.
I was just POINTING OUT that IF was is going to use the statistic of "this many people" have been killed by this so called "group of people", and that is the reason for rational fear, then it would be MUCH BETTER IF the other statistic was also shown of just how many people have been killed on the "other side" by the "side", which the one 'trying to' argue for is the "better" side.
Providing this statistic would be a MUCH BETTER thing do, especially considering the number is much higher, AND if it is true of there is one reason for being a 'rational fear' of a high statistical number, then that means the so called "other side" must have much MORE to fear.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:09 pm Yet anyone can see that there's no reason that BOTH aren't wrong. Indeed they are. So the fact that I killed two people would be a reasonable statistic to quote,
regardless of what my neighbour did.
So WHY NOT just quote BOTH statistics?
WHY quote ONLY ONE? To do so, implies there is secretive or deception, underlining the motive behind what is being exposed. NOT providing ALL the facts can be very easily SEEN as just being a misleading thing to do.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:09 pmSorry, Age...what you're saying doesn't make any
more sense. It's the same error Sculptor was making.
AND what error is that exactly which you think or believe I am making?
My main points were SHOWING that just like you do NOT like being associated with the killing being done by "side" of things, then ALSO the majority on the "other side" of things do NOT like also being associated by the killing done by their "side". I also just wanted to point out the inconsistency of providing the statistics of ONLY "one side" as though that is a legitimate premise for their argument, especially considering the statistic of the "other side" is FAR WORSE, which I was just SHOWING as well.
So, I am NOT sure what ERROR you are SEEING here that I am making.