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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 7:19 am
Walker wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 6:37 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 10:23 pm Just heard that Kellie-Jay Keen (Posie Parker) won't be coming to NZ after all because she considers it too dangerous. Too many death threats. JFC. So much for the 'clean green Utopia down under' myth.
That's understandable, seeing as how NZ folks are such thugs.
Yep.
That’s interesting.

The Leftist media paints American men in a negative way, and a stereotype is created for the world to believe without experiencing.

The Leftist media paints NZ as paradise and a stereotype is created for the world to believe, without experiencing.

The Leftist governments paint a picture of reality for the governed to believe, without experiencing.

Those Leftists. You just can’t trust a damn thing they say.
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Ridiculous. I don't need 'leftist media' to tell me that the US is full of idiots who say stupid things like that. Here you are, saying it straight from the horse's mouth. No 'media' involved apart from an internet form. Stupidity is also contagious and the internet has turned a very slow growing cancer contained at the primary site of the USA into an aggressively spreading one. Terminal of course.
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Lacewing wrote: Fri Sep 15, 2023 5:58 pm
So, why is this different than all the other discomforts in life that you seek to ease/soften? For example, you probably cover up if you're cold... or remove your shoes if they hurt... and avoid driving your car if it has a flat tire? You could choose to experience and feel these sensations too, but do you?

How can you know how things might shift for your brain/conscious experience -- or is that what you might be resistant to? If there's nothing all that serious or permanent about this experience and these bodies, why not ease our despair and discomforts while we're here?
There is no difference to the discomfort, except I understand that my feelings and emotions remove themselves, all by themselves. I don't have to physically remove them like I could a hurting shoe, or put on a coat when cold. I can avoid driving a car with a flat tyre, but I cannot avoid my thoughts, feelings, emotions and sensations. I cannot make them appear, or make them go, I can only observe them and understand they change all by themselves without my help.

Like for instance, yesterday I felt quite low, quite depressed actually. And yet today I feel completely better, I feel good today.
So I know to not get overwhelmed by my feelings, and to just allow them to be present because that is for me part of being human, it's how our brain chemistry works.

I do understand that meds can ease, relieve, temporally suppress and help us deal with the symtoms of our mental health, but meds are no cure, I do know that, so that's why I choose not to use them. I know there is no cure for being alive, that's what nonduality taught me, it said, nothing is born and so nothing can die. I believe that. And so I always trust in the universe to know what it is doing, because it's obviously doing something, and it's not me doing it, so I just hand over the reigns, rather than think I have control over anything, when I know all too well that I haven't.

Thanks for your kind hearted advice Lacewing.
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This is not satire


French gynaecologist refuses to treat man:

"I take care of real women and have no skills to take care of men who have become women", gynaecologist Victor Acharian defended himself against the controversy on social media. The upheaval was caused by his refusal to see a transgender woman for a consultation in his clinic.

Acharian explains to Sud Radio that the couple came in to make an appointment and that his secretary told them that the gynaecologist was not specialised in care for them and would refer them to another physician. However, in response, the couple started to attack the secretary verbally with accusations of transphobia, Acharian emphasises.
The transgender woman, Sandrine, tells Valeurs Actuelles that 'she' was shocked by the rejection of the secretary. "I was in shock; it was the first time I had experienced such transphobia; it was hyper-violent."

In response, the couple writes in a Google review: "His secretary coldly threw us away".


I can't understand why a gynaecologist wouldn't want to help indulge a man's sexual fantasy by pretending to examine his 'non cervix and non uterus'.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:41 am Ridiculous. I don't need 'leftist media' to tell me that the US is full of idiots who say stupid things like that. Here you are, saying it straight from the horse's mouth. No 'media' involved apart from an internet form. Stupidity is also contagious and the internet has turned a very slow growing cancer contained at the primary site of the USA into an aggressively spreading one. Terminal of course.
Most NZers, stuck down there at the ends of the earth, perceive the United States through the USA-hating filters of the Leftist Media.
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Walker wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 3:59 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sat Sep 16, 2023 8:41 am Ridiculous. I don't need 'leftist media' to tell me that the US is full of idiots who say stupid things like that. Here you are, saying it straight from the horse's mouth. No 'media' involved apart from an internet form. Stupidity is also contagious and the internet has turned a very slow growing cancer contained at the primary site of the USA into an aggressively spreading one. Terminal of course.
Most NZers, stuck down there at the ends of the earth, perceive the United States through the USA-hating filters of the Leftist Media.
It's hardly the 'end of the earth'. In relation to 'what'? This is how thick you are. You just said that everyone's perception of other countries is distorted because they don't live in the country, and then you go on to make a stupid blanket statement about everyone in that country :lol: Judging by the increasing numbers of anti-science conspiracy nuts in this country then I would say that there are a fair few who gorge themselves on your 'right wing media'. I don't get my information about what's going on in the world from any particular 'news outlet'. Not sure how I get it to be honest. It just seems to seep in from the ether :mrgreen:
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:24 am This is not satire


French gynaecologist refuses to treat man:

"I take care of real women and have no skills to take care of men who have become women", gynaecologist Victor Acharian defended himself against the controversy on social media. The upheaval was caused by his refusal to see a transgender woman for a consultation in his clinic.
This was a couple of comments I read online at the ''Mumsnet.com'' website this morning. In reference to the transgender issue.
Clymene · Yesterday 09:58

What exactly would they be treating them for? Confused
ATerrorofLeftovers. Response:

Well, quite. A gynaecologist has expertise in treating female body parts and the female hormonal system. If you don’t have female body parts and a female hormonal system, they’re quite obviously not the right specialty for you. In the same way as you wouldn’t see a neurologist if you had bowel cancer.
Good point! imo.

I wonder if the transgender person had thought about that prior to seeking gynaecology treatment? :roll:
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 7:48 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:24 am This is not satire


French gynaecologist refuses to treat man:

"I take care of real women and have no skills to take care of men who have become women", gynaecologist Victor Acharian defended himself against the controversy on social media. The upheaval was caused by his refusal to see a transgender woman for a consultation in his clinic.
This was a couple of comments I read online at the ''Mumsnet.com'' website this morning. In reference to the transgender issue.
Clymene · Yesterday 09:58

What exactly would they be treating them for? Confused
ATerrorofLeftovers. Response:

Well, quite. A gynaecologist has expertise in treating female body parts and the female hormonal system. If you don’t have female body parts and a female hormonal system, they’re quite obviously not the right specialty for you. In the same way as you wouldn’t see a neurologist if you had bowel cancer.
Good point! imo.

I wonder if the transgender person had thought about that prior to seeking gynaecology treatment? :roll:
He obviously wanted the gynaecologist to 'validate' his woman fetish. He most likely would have had a massive orgasm during his 'checkup'.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:50 am
He obviously wanted the gynaecologist to 'validate' his woman fetish. He most likely would have had a massive orgasm during his 'checkup'.
So he wanted to get his own way, and behaved like a spoilt brat forcing his trans fe/male needs and desires upon the doctor who specialises only upon proper biological women's hormones and reproductive organs... forcing the doctor himself to look as though he is an inadequate failure of his chosen specialised profession.

I must say, this is really a sad world right now.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:00 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:50 am
He obviously wanted the gynaecologist to 'validate' his woman fetish. He most likely would have had a massive orgasm during his 'checkup'.
So he wanted to get his own way, and behaved like a spoilt brat forcing his trans fe/male needs and desires upon the doctor who specialises only upon proper biological women's hormones and reproductive organs... forcing the doctor himself to look as though he is an inadequate failure of his chosen specialised profession.

I must say, this is really a sad world right now.
That's exactly what happened.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:13 am
Dontaskme wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:00 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:50 am
He obviously wanted the gynaecologist to 'validate' his woman fetish. He most likely would have had a massive orgasm during his 'checkup'.
So he wanted to get his own way, and behaved like a spoilt brat forcing his trans fe/male needs and desires upon the doctor who specialises only upon proper biological women's hormones and reproductive organs... forcing the doctor himself to look as though he is an inadequate failure of his chosen specialised profession.

I must say, this is really a sad world right now.
That's exactly what happened.
I had no idea if that actually happened, I was just making a guess by saying what I said above.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:50 am
He obviously wanted the gynaecologist to 'validate' his woman fetish. He most likely would have had a massive orgasm during his 'checkup'.
Personally, I have no objection at all to men wanting to be women if that's their vibe. But what bothers me, and what I object to, is if they flatly deny they are men, by insisting they are women, that's just not right. They really ought to at least have some moral duty to respect the fact that there is in nature normal biologically proven women existing with actual real body parts to prove it. So they ought to stop messing around with natures biological programme as if they were some kind of Gods. They should at least have the decency to admit they are male, even though they want to be female. If they can't admit to themselves and others, that they are originally male, then that's when the whole transgender issue becomes really screwed up, and yes, it will start to have a massive psychological negative impact, affecting all of us, especially natually born women.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:40 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 8:50 am
He obviously wanted the gynaecologist to 'validate' his woman fetish. He most likely would have had a massive orgasm during his 'checkup'.
Personally, I have no objection at all to men wanting to be women if that's their vibe. But what bothers me, and what I object to, is if they flatly deny they are men, by insisting they are women, that's just not right. They really ought to at least have some moral duty to respect the fact that there is in nature normal biologically proven women existing with actual real body parts to prove it. So they ought to stop messing around with natures biological programme as if they were some kind of Gods. They should at least have the decency to admit they are male, even though they want to be female. If they can't admit to themselves and others, that they are originally male, then that's when the whole transgender issue becomes really screwed up, and yes, it will start to have a massive psychological negative impact, affecting all of us, especially natually born women.
It's being put into law that they are actual, biological women. That's what they want, and that's what has been written into law in many places, including NZ. If you can get your head around men being women then good for you, Gunga Din.
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vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:46 am
It's being put into law that they are actual, biological women. That's what they want, and that's what has been written into law in many places, including NZ. If you can get your head around men being women then good for you, Gunga Din.
But I can get my head around it, if that's what the law is stating now, that they are actual biological women.

My beef is that they are also men, and that's all they have to admit to themselves and the world. There's no harm in just admitting that fact.

I personally believe we are two sexes anyway, it's just that only one of those sexes seems to dominate more than the other when the organism is forming in the womb.

Also, I've heard it said that we all start off our life as a female anyway...

During early development the gonads of the fetus remain undifferentiated; that is, all fetal genitalia are the same and are phenotypically female. After approximately 6 to 7 weeks of gestation, however, the expression of a gene on the Y chromosome induces changes that result in the development of the testes.
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Dontaskme wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 10:51 am
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:46 am
It's being put into law that they are actual, biological women. That's what they want, and that's what has been written into law in many places, including NZ. If you can get your head around men being women then good for you, Gunga Din.
But I can get my head around it, if that's what the law is stating now, that they are actual biological women.

My beef is that they are also men, and that's all they have to admit to themselves and the world. There's no harm in just admitting that fact.

I personally believe we are two sexes anyway, it's just that only one of those sexes seems to dominate more than the other when the organism is forming in the womb.

Also, I've heard it said that we all start off our life as a female anyway...

During early development the gonads of the fetus remain undifferentiated; that is, all fetal genitalia are the same and are phenotypically female. After approximately 6 to 7 weeks of gestation, however, the expression of a gene on the Y chromosome induces changes that result in the development of the testes.
For fuck sake, I wish you would just stop commenting on this thread.
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