Age wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:02 am
What you BELIEVE is true does NOT FIT IN WITH or WORK IN WITH what is ACTUALLY True.
Truth/fact is experience-dependent and is not infallible,
Is what you just said and claimed here also fallible? If yes, then maybe you would like to reconsider YOUR CLAIM here. [/quote]
The first stage of the process of discernment is perception, and if perception is faulty due to one's biology, the correction of that judgement is also experience/perception dependent. Biology is the measure and meaning of all things. "To error is to be human." A collective subjective judgement of an experience is somewhat more likely to be correct, but again, even the collective judgment is not infallible. Despite the dangers, we trust, as we must, our own perceptions in general, as not to do so would mean to be frozen in indecision, and unable to function properly in the world.
Or, are you 'trying to' CLAIM that what you just said and claimed here is infallible?
If yes, then I really hope you can SEE the CONTRADICTION and HYPOCRISY here.
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:52 am
meaning it sometimes disagrees with physical reality.
You are I believe misreading; I stated the perception/experience and judgment are NOT infallible. Meaning they are all subject to human error.
AND, what IS the 'truth/fact' of or about 'physical reality' based on, EXACTLY, if NOT 'dependent upon experience'?
Also, HOW would one EVER KNOW if expressed 'truths/facts' AGREED with 'physical reality', or NOT?
And, what about 'non-physical reality', does that even exist? [/quote]
Physical reality is what biology tells you it is, but again this is NOT perfect, in the cases of delusion, the delusion may be due to the limitations or malfunctions of said biology whether that be perception or judgment.
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:52 am
This is true whether it is individual truth/fact or truth of the group or collective judgment.
BUT, you just got through TELLING us that 'truth/fact' is 'experience-dependent' and is NOT infallible. So, HOW do we KNOW that what you say 'is true', which IS 'experience-dependent' upon YOUR OWN past 'experience' is NOT infallible ALSO?
popeye1945 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:52 am
What is actually true as fact, is often not believed; if it does not agree with one's perception or preconceived bias.
Not infallible means subject to error.
But what IS ACTUALLY true as fact?
Will you provide some examples?
And, what, EXACTLY, makes up 'what IS ACTUALLY true as fact'?
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What is actually true as a fact is, that one's perception/experience and judgment coincide with physical reality.
I am a little puzzled here, you have questioned absolutely everything stated and while it might be good for me to sharpen my thoughts in answering every detail; it makes me wonder if you understood anything from the original post.