Re: True Story of the Day
Posted: Thu Mar 21, 2024 10:02 am
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What question is 'that', exactly?
Here is the actual problem with the whole Universe was created from some thing or from no thing people, 'who or what is the some thing, or, how could every thing come from no thing?promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:30 pm Speaking of, here's a problem with the whole 'the universe is eternal and infinite dude' thing. So everybody knows what entropy is. I mean they know what it bascially is.
If the universe never had a beginning, we shouldn't be seeing entropy increases in the closed thermodynamic systems we observe. The observable universe seems to be a big field of moving things slowly running out of energy and cooling down. [/quote]
But, the Universe is not 'things' moving around in space.promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:30 pm The question is, if that's all the universe is - things moving around in space -
This is moot because;promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:30 pm and, this universe has always existed, would our observable universe have, by now, reached absolute entropy and died a heat death?
If energy is neither created nor destroyed, then there is no beginning, nor end.promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:30 pm In an infinite duration of time there is at any and every moment a sufficient period of elapsed time in the past to have allowed for a universe with a history to have reached absolute entropy.
Because so-called 'absolute entropy' does not happen nor occur to the Universe, Itself. The Universe, Itself, is not in entropy just like the Universe, Itself, is not in negentropy as well.
Well this is obviously False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and Incorrect, which has been proved so. And, can be proved so to others as well, if and when they become curios and interested.promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:30 pm So now there's a couple options here. We gotta go with A or B.
A) the universe had a beginning (cue metaphysical speculation), it is a finite collection of matter and energy, time is like an irreversible arrow moving in one direction, absolute entropy will be reached and there will be the end of the universe (cue metaphysical speculation).
you say this like if entropy did exist for some things then it must exist for the whole Universe, Itself, as well.promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:30 pm B) the universe had no beginning, there is infinite energy, matter and space, and entropy is just a local phenomena that exists in closed thermodynamic systems composed of observable energy, matter and space. It does not 'happen' to the whole infinite universe; the sum total amount of energy is never lost or 'spent' throughout.
Remember, if entropy did exist, and a sufficient period of time has passed before 'now' for any system to reach absolute entropy, we should be frozen at this very moment.
Now this is getting to 'absolute absurdity'.promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:30 pm Not only that, but we would have been frozen for an infinite amount of time before now, since for any moment in that past there was an infinite period of time that had past for absolute entropy to happen by then.
B) Only has its own issues, or 'problems' if one likes, when and if one is presuming or believing entropy 'must exist' for the whole Universe, Itself.promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:30 pm Bro it's like Hilbert's Entropic Hotels. As u can see B has it's own problems.
So, are you now suggesting that the Universe began and will so-call 'die out' in a 'heat death' is not mere speculation, itself?promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:30 pm And we don't like that becuz it forces us ultimately to that metaphysical speculation we wanna avoid doing becuz we're scientists not priests and philosophers.
you can keep pondering over these things for the rest of eternity if you like. But, what is 'logically impossible' cannot be 'actually possible'.promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:30 pm
If we take A, we have to become philosophers and start wondering about such things as ''how can there be nothing and then something', 'is the what-it-is that caused and created the universe a 'god' like in one of our religions, or just some kind of power source or sum such thing', and 'where did this god or power source come from, etc.'
Are you joking here?promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:30 pm All that has to follow if we take A and say that the universe had a beginning becuz it would have needed a cause to begin. Sumthin like the big bang would require just that.
The GUT, and the TOE, have already been uncovered. Some are just not yet aware of this.promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:30 pm If no, our alternative theories like the oscillating model and the steady state model have their own problems.
In the end, all our antinomies in theory might not have to exist if we could actually get to a GUT.
Are 'you' here telling 'us' what 'you' have been and still are doing here, 'now'?promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:30 pm Until then, u just pick your cosmology based on the kinds of theoretical problems u are willing to honestly accept and face.
So, they last forever, right? Just like the Universe, Itself.promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 5:19 pm "According to the Standard Model, the proton, a type of baryon, is stable because baryon number (quark number) is conserved (under normal circumstances; see Chiral anomaly for an exception). Therefore, protons will not decay into other particles on their own, because they are the lightest (and therefore least energetic) baryon."
Boom. The most elementary unit of being. The fundamental substance that does not change, Heraclitus and Democritus. A few theoretical experiments have been done becuz proton decay should have been observed by now in this universe... or sumthin like that... but have all failed.
Unless u have a black hole or are quantum tunneling, your protons will never, ever ever ever decay. U can belee that.
If your lifespan were that of a human being, then you could not ever become a so-called "existentialist" neither.promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:10 pm If your lifespan were that of a house fly, u couldn't ever become an existentialist.
1. you do not acquire some 'intelligence' of 'the world'. There is, however, 'Intelligence' within 'you'. Now, how much of that 'Intelligence' one uses, or does not use, is some thing else.promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:10 pm Isn’t it really the fact that our particular life spans are just long enough for us to acquire some intelligence of the world but too short to really invest in anything,
Are 'you' here asking, or telling?promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:10 pm that makes us existentialists and pessimists and nihilists?
Once again, here is another example of how the 'adult folk', back in the days when this was being written, were really only concerned about "themselves" individually, and not collectively.promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:10 pm Right when u start to get into it and enjoy it, u have to start preparing to die as u approach old age.
All this talk about 'existential anxiety' all arises, again, from the greedy, selfish individual perspective or preconception.
What you call 'facts' here, when delved into, will most likely be found to not be 'facts' at all.
Again, it is all about the 'individual self'.promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:10 pm On day 13 of your life as a house fly you'd be getting ready to die. No unfulfilled happiness, no unfinished plans, no great experiences that u will treasure forever.
And don't try be like 'but dude be thankful u got to have a life at all' becuz that's the whole point of this problem. Why would an eighty year life be ideal for intelligent animals such as ourselves? Bro u can't even start getting into it until your 40s. We should have something like two hundred year life spans so we can make real plans and do shit right.
Once more, these older ones, back then, really had evolved into believing that 'Life', Itself, was about, and/or for, 'them' individually.promethean75 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2024 9:10 pm No. 80 years of mortal life is a bad deal. I'm about to say 'not worth it' but I won't becuz I'm a cup half full guy.
you are making accusations and claims here "promethean75" with absolutely no proof provided at all.