Ukraine Crisis

[Dubious]

What I think is that the Russians have become the Nazis of the 21st century. Regarding Nazism, Putin sounds positively demented, and I also think that you're an idiot in thinking that I must or can reply to your immediate demand.

There, I have replied; oh yes! not to forget the obligatory

[popeye1945]

https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chom ... new-phase/

https://www.lacatholicworker.org/wp/202 ... raine-war/

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ch ... &FORM=VDRE

https://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/20 ... an-empire/

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/u ... n-ukraine/

Gary, explain to me why you ignore factual information that might seem troubling like, why when Russia asked to join NATO it was denied?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/04/media/mi ... index.html

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/01/30/c ... ent-wrong/

https://www.bing.com/videos/searchq=oli ... &FORM=VIRE

This above link has interviews with the MONSTER Putin.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=when+did+ ... A1&PC=ACTS Russia asking to join NATO


America is a dying empire, and you cannot tell what a wounded animal might do; like take us all with it.

[Gary Childress]

https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chom ... new-phase/

https://www.lacatholicworker.org/wp/202 ... raine-war/

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=ch ... &FORM=VDRE

https://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/20 ... an-empire/

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/u ... n-ukraine/

Gary, explain to me why you ignore factual information that might seem troubling like, why when Russia asked to join NATO it was denied?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/04/media/mi ... index.html

https://consortiumnews.com/2023/01/30/c ... ent-wrong/

https://www.bing.com/videos/searchq=oli ... &FORM=VIRE

This above link has interviews with the MONSTER Putin.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=when+did+ ... A1&PC=ACTS Russia asking to join NATO


America is a dying empire, and you cannot tell what a wounded animal might do; like take us all with it.

I don't disagree that America is a dying empire and imperialism, as an institution in itself (employable by anyone), needs to die with it. It seems to me that the world needs to take a deep breath and talk Putin off the ledge. Then when the US does something despicably depraved again, talk us off the ledge, condemn us or whatever. I'll join you. I'm not seeing the utility in casting the US as some uniquely demonic specter in the Ukraine situation.

I think Putin needs to back out of this one. If Chomsky wants to cast a darker shadow over the US and Europe during this crisis, I think the likelihood that Putin relents declines significantly. It'll give him the courage that what he's doing is OK and will cancel out in the end and that he can continue the war.

But maybe I'm wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

[Gary Childress]

Gary, explain to me why you ignore factual information that might seem troubling like, why when Russia asked to join NATO it was denied?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=when+did+ ... A1&PC=ACTS Russia asking to join NATO

Your search seems to be talking about 1954. The most recent stance seems to have been a willingness to let Russia join which was then vetoed due to some aggressive behavior on the part of Putin's leadership.

[popeye1945]

Gary, explain to me why you ignore factual information that might seem troubling like, why when Russia asked to join NATO it was denied?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=when+did+ ... A1&PC=ACTS Russia asking to join NATO

Your search seems to be talking about 1954. The most recent stance seems to have been a willingness to let Russia join which was then vetoed due to some aggressive behavior on the part of Putin's leadership.

War better------------take care.

[Gary Childress]

Gary, explain to me why you ignore factual information that might seem troubling like, why when Russia asked to join NATO it was denied?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=when+did+ ... A1&PC=ACTS Russia asking to join NATO

Your search seems to be talking about 1954. The most recent stance seems to have been a willingness to let Russia join which was then vetoed due to some aggressive behavior on the part of Putin's leadership.

War better------------take care.

What does "war better" mean?

[popeye1945]

Your search seems to be talking about 1954. The most recent stance seems to have been a willingness to let Russia join which was then vetoed due to some aggressive behavior on the part of Putin's leadership.

War better------------take care.

What does "war better" mean?

It means Putin see Russia as part of Europe and any attempt at avoiding war has been rejected by the United States. Did they reject Russia because Putin was having a bad hair day? Did you read all those links I sent you already----lol!! Europe no longer has sovereignty over its own countries and the rest of the world is not looking forward to be owned and operated by the United States, it's that simple. America has already shown the world its true nature in Vietnam.

[Gary Childress]

War better------------take care.

What does "war better" mean?

It means Putin see Russia as part of Europe and any attempt at avoiding war has been rejected by the United States. Did they reject Russia because Putin was having a bad hair day? Did you read all those links I sent you already----lol!!

No. I didn't. Which one(s) state(s) that the US has rejected any attempt at avoiding war? I'd like to see it.

[popeye1945]

What does "war better" mean?

It means Putin see Russia as part of Europe and any attempt at avoiding war has been rejected by the United States. Did they reject Russia because Putin was having a bad hair day? Did you read all those links I sent you already----lol!!

No. I didn't. Which one(s) state(s) that the US has rejected any attempt at avoiding war? I'd like to see it.

Nothing will satisfy you, rejection of Russia to join NATO is a prime example. Don't you get it, if they own Europe and thus NATO what is to stop them in their ambitions of world domination but the other half of the world standing their ground; which to America spells war. They have China surrounded with forty military bases with nuclear weapons, China that nasty aggressor----lol!! America is a blight upon the world, and these asshole Americans are going to be responsible for Armageddon. Gary, can you answer me this one question honestly, would the United States permit a Russian military base on Canadian soil without invading the next day? Say just across from Buffalo Newyork in Fort Erie Canada say!!

[Dontaskme]

Europe no longer has sovereignty over its own countries and the rest of the world is not looking forward to be owned and operated by the United States, it's that simple. America has already shown the world its true nature in Vietnam.

Sometimes people try to destroy you, precisely because they recognise your power - not because they don't see it, but because they see it and don't want it to exist. Soon we will all come to know one simple thing: if I try to destroy you, I will also be destroyed.

That which appears to have power, is ultimately powerless.

[popeye1945]

Europe no longer has sovereignty over its own countries and the rest of the world is not looking forward to be owned and operated by the United States, it's that simple. America has already shown the world its true nature in Vietnam.

Sometimes people try to destroy you, precisely because they recognise your power - not because they don't see it, but because they see it and don't want it to exist. Soon we will all come to know one simple thing: if I try to destroy you, I will also be destroyed.

That which appears to have power, is ultimately powerless.

Most interesting put Dontaskme, EXCELLENT!!

[Gary Childress]

It means Putin see Russia as part of Europe and any attempt at avoiding war has been rejected by the United States. Did they reject Russia because Putin was having a bad hair day? Did you read all those links I sent you already----lol!!

No. I didn't. Which one(s) state(s) that the US has rejected any attempt at avoiding war? I'd like to see it.

Nothing will satisfy you, rejection of Russia to join NATO is a prime example. Don't you get it, if they own Europe and thus NATO what is to stop them in their ambitions of world domination but the other half of the world standing their ground; which to America spells war. They have China surrounded with forty military bases with nuclear weapons, China that nasty aggressor----lol!! America is a blight upon the world, and these asshole Americans are going to be responsible for Armageddon.

According to Dubious' link Russia was going to be allowed into NATO most recently until Putin started invading his neighbors and NATO decided it was too risky. I take it that information is false, then?

Gary, can you answer me this one question honestly, would the United States permit a Russian military base on Canadian soil without invading the next day? Say just across from Buffalo Newyork in Fort Erie Canada say!!

I answered once, so I'll just say it again. No our leaders probably wouldn't allow a Russian base in Canada. Some of them would try their best to justify the unjustifiable and invade premptively or else come up with a fraudulent incident like what happened in Vietnam to falsely justify an invasion. I mean, I assume invading Canada premptively would be morally wrong, just as the invasion of Cuba was. Or was it right to invade Cuba and likewise would be right to invade Canada for allowing a Russian military base there? What are your thoughts on that?

As I say, I'll concede anytime the US is wrong. I just don't see where the US is wrong assisting Ukraine. Now Putin is threatening nukes for little more reason than he can't have Ukraine. Ukraine hadn't even attacked him but merely had him in a stalemate and he was rattling the nuke cage. Russia has persisted in destroying Ukraine's infrastructure and civilians. Now Ukraine is attacking Russia rather than sit there passively and be pummeled. And this is somehow the fault of the US? If the US is the one bringing the world to armageddon (not Russia) then let's just stop helping Ukraine and let it fall to Putin if that's what you see as the solution. Or what do you propose be done by the US to end this, since we appear to be responsible.

I answered your question. Answer me what needs to be done to end this? What do you see as the solution? What actions need to be taken by whom? If it'll save the world from Russian nukes, then by all means let's do it.

[Gary Childress]

To be honest, maybe if we give Putin what he wants it'll become evident who the real monster is. So let's let him have Ukraine. Maybe he'll be satisfied with Ukraine and stop because he feels safe. If that's what needs to be done to prevent Armageddon, then let's do it.

[popeye1945]

To be honest, maybe if we give Putin what he wants it'll become evident who the real monster is. So, let's let him have Ukraine. Maybe he'll be satisfied with Ukraine and stop because he feels safe. If that's what needs to be done to prevent Armageddon, then let's do it.

It is not an unreasonable request, during World War two Poland was the great concern as a number of invasions of Russia came through Poland. After World War one many countries fought against the Russian people in their revolutionary war. Russia was then feared by European and North America countries for expressing its anti-colonial stand. Basically, many countries have had concerns over being invaded and sought to secure their borders. The United States is no exception. America has no right to put the whole world in jeopardy in its quest for more power. Hopefully Europe getting cold this winter will be enough to dampen their support for their master. Yours is a sane move, for if we are all dead the question won't matter, the reality is this evil game should not be being played; the stakes are life on this planet and that is insane.

[Dubious]

To be honest, maybe if we give Putin what he wants it'll become evident who the real monster is. So let's let him have Ukraine. Maybe he'll be satisfied with Ukraine and stop because he feels safe. If that's what needs to be done to prevent Armageddon, then let's do it.

...and what if Putin - as per his expressed ambitions - wants more of the former Soviet lands after you give him Ukraine? Should we hope he doesn't want more and live with that? When was that kind of appeasement ever successful!