VVilliam wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 5:10 am
VVilliam wrote: ↑Mon Oct 23, 2023 8:34 am
The exactness you seek with your question is only apparent to those who have the eyes to see.
Thus, for SEEKING 'the ANSWER' IN and WITH WORDS.
Those who do not, cannot, and thus any answers to such who question, will not be understood for they do not having the ears to hear, the eyes to see, or the minds comprehend.
Age wrote: ↑Sat Oct 28, 2023 1:23 am
Are 'you' AWARE here that what 'you' SAID and WROTE just here does NOT ACTUALLY LOGICALLY follow?
Or, do 'you' BELIEVE that 'that body' HAS the so-called 'eyes to see' CRYSTAL CLEARLY and/or ABSOLUTELY?
Yes, I am aware that there are those who will "see" things "that way" (your questions verify that.) - which is besides the point which was made.
The point which was made and received as intended, (to be understood in a particular way) - having being understood by the mind perceiving it - can be evidenced in
this post reply.
So, absolutely ANY one could CLAIM to have received 'the point', which was being 'made' by "another", AND of having received 'it' 'as intended', right?
If yes, then this may better illustrate 'the point' I have been making here, 'as intended', about how quickly 'you', human beings, can and do JUMP to making ASSUMPTIONS and CONCLUSIONS, BEFORE 'you' have even OBTAINED ACTUAL CLARITY, and 'the point' about how 'the EXACT SAME point', which is being made and how 'it 'is intended', can get all to easily and simply, TOTALLY and COMPLETELY LOST, MISSED, MISUNDERSTOOD, MISCOMMUNICATED, MISINTERPRETED, and/or MISPERCEIVED even to the point where two people can end up having to COMPLETELY OPPOSING CONCLUSIONS WHILE BOTH ALSO BELIEVE THAT 'they' KNOW what was EXACTLY INTENDED by the writer, speaker, or artist.
Which, by the way, has been extremely funny to WATCH and OBSERVE 'play out' over the centuries, and especially within this forum. 'you', people, here actually go on as though 'you' REALLY BELIEVE that 'you', "each" individually, KNOW what past so-called "philosophers" ACTUALLY MEANT, and ACTUALLY INTENDED TO MEAN, by their words and writings, and then ACTUALLY BICKER and FIGHT WITH "each other" OVER 'your' OWN 'personal VIEWS and personal BELIEFS'.
Once the 'author of any art', words, paintings, pictures, drawings, sculptors, or any other form of art is NOT 'around' anymore or is NOT able to UNDERSTAND the CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ASKED to 'them', THEN what was ACTUALLY MEANT, or what was INTENDED, can NEVER EVER BE KNOWN and UNDERSTOOD, COMPLETELY.
Unless, OF COURSE, 'the author's of 'the art' COMMUNICATED the 'INTENDED MEANING' CRYSTAL CLEARLY.
Oh, and by the way, some 'pieces of art' were NEVER INTENDED TO BE FULLY UNDERSTOOD, UNTIL A 'later date'. For example, like just about ALL 'religious scriptures'.
And, ONCE AGAIN, WATCHING and OBSERVING 'you', adult human beings, BICKERING, FIGHTING, and even KILLING 'each other" OVER and BECAUSE OF 'your' OWN PERSONAL, MISINTERPRET,VIEWS and BELIEFS, ALONE, although being ABSOLUTELY TERRIFYING, and HORRIFYING, and EXTREMELY TRAUMATIC FOR ALL CHILDREN, has been FUNNY to 'PLAY OUT' among 'you', ADULTS.
But KNOWING the ACTUAL and FULL PURPOSE for ALL of what has happened and is occurring MAKES 'it' ALL MAKE SENSE.
SEE the human animal BEST learns by 'its' OWN MISTAKES, but ONLY WHEN 'it' IS FULLY and COMPLETELY Honest and OPEN about 'its' MISTAKES/WRONG DOING, and TAKES COMPLETE and FULL RESPONSIBILITY for said mistakes and Wrong doing by seriously Wanting TO CHANGE, for the human animals children's SAKES, and by JUST DOING 'IT'. That is; by JUST ALWAYS STAYING OPEN WITH the SOLE INTENTION OF CHANGING, FOR THE BETTER/MENT, FOR ALL ("others"), and thus, REALLY, FOR thy 'Self', AS WELL.