bahman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:04 pm
So you are writing these words?
maybe from Faith - via Faith in a material world as reality.
not from Empiricism, which is what Descarte (me? or real person that is not me?) claimed prior to selling out and 10-20 yrs later affirming the unaffirmable.
I am - right now, not in the past not in the future, just right now. that is what he (I?) said.
BTW i was 16 when i understood this mentality, 5 yrs younger than Descarte - who may have existed, or not, and just happened to be me learning about that man 5 yrs later - whom i lever know about until college, coming to the same mentality i had an inspiration about indepentently (or not indepentently, if Solipisism is true - then he and i are the same being).
Empiricism is about Logic, what is provable.
so no i cannot prove i am writing these words to "you" (myself) - to assume "writting" assumes there is a physical reality, and so requires Faith.
I don't do Faith, and why i am an Atheist (which offers nothing - and do not wish anyone (even if there are no anyones "out there" - and i am just playing a game talking to myself (maybe i am/ or not - no empircal evidence to determine) - i just use empiricism, as i have since a 15 yr old (long ago now - 39 yrs now) to know my limitations via my nature - to know that.
I AM - right now.
not in the past nor future.
-others existing? for sanity i have assumed you exist to function as a man with a house and job, i do not take it for a Truth. so i guess i have Faith you exist - for my own selfish reasons - sanity.
I am SPECIFIC about Truth though, and per IT - I know I exist, and you cannot prove you exist outside of me (as an existing entity) - other than me talking to me out of some perverse "self talk" - "you are wrong!!!!!!!!!!!! I exist and i can prove it when i cave your skull in"
ok, but per emiricism you are all wet. so i cave my own skull in (skulls to not exist emirically) and die,..................to what?
no idea, my nature is limited to logic and the provable in this reality - i do not concern myself with the "afterlife" - yay nor nay (my "afterlife" - since you cannot prove you exist - there is only me that i know exists - now - not in the future, so might just cease to exist after my "death" - or not - my nature is too limited (by lightyears to even bother with the question - so i dont care about it (and why i am not anti Religious)
I know what is knowable (my limits via my nature) -since i was 16,
I'm 54 now, nothing has changed, sadly no higher Emprical truth than "I exist" - right now - not in the past, nor assume in the next 10 seconds.
I suspect i was born an "old soul" - if i do say so myself (i do value humility - a virtue, and loath pride - so just stating facts in my life, just saying i was always been a thinker, and knew i reached the highest level in this reality via logic when i was 16, and so let "philosophy go" all the decades after.
bahman wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 10:04 pm
gaffo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 11, 2020 1:11 am
For that matter why should i assume there is a you?
Because, you now know something new which was not part of your mind in the past.
you error in your view of Solipsism - which is literally - 'I am" (right now) - nothing more. I am not a God nor God, definition of God/s is all powerful all omini present
FUCK I CANT EVEN SPELL!!!!!!!!!!!!! - but via logic/emiricism i KNOW I EXIST NOW.
I know you cannot prove you exist, and know you can reply and shout to the sky I EXIST AND AM AN HUMAN BEING LIKE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! - for centuries.
- but to no avial, you cannot prove you exist (you might exist, and i affirm you do for my sanities sake (but do you? - you cannot prove it)- or you could me me playing with myself (i do that sometimes - joke-too sexual - poor teste - bad joke/etc)
for my sanity, i assume you exist via my Atheist Faith that i am not God (a God that likes to play with himself/talk to himself/and with limited knowledge and wisdom) - but maybe i am just that!?
thanks for reply - even if i might be thanking myself.