nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pm
I am not surprised that you completely misunderstood this, and wrote some thing so inconceivably off topic.
You wrote; "space/time (as: speed) = observable".
But obviously space nor time do NOT have speed.
Obviously, objects, as subjects, move, and just as obvious is space and time, by their very nature can not and do not move.
You are
collapsed in on yourself,
If you say so. BUT, are you even able to explain what is this "self", and how it is possible for 'you', or this "self", to
collapse in on "yourself" or "itself"?
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pm thus projecting (ie. drawing from
your own nature).
What exactly is 'my own nature'?
Is it different from 'your own nature'?
If yes, then how is 'my nature' different from 'your nature'?
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmYou completely misunderstood.
Okay.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmAs clearly indicated: the ratio of
space over time indicates
speed.
Clearly as I indicated;
Objects are physical things.
Only physical things can move.
Space and time are not physical things.
Therefore, space and time can not move.
So, ONLY objects can move.
Now, since space and time are not physical things this means there could NOT be any such thing as; "the 'ratio' of
space over time". One can not have a quantity of
no physical thing over no physical thing. For there to be a 'ratio' there first needs to be a 'quantity', and for there to be a 'quantity' there first needs to 'some thing physical'. Space and time are NOT physical.
One, however, can have a 'ratio' of
distance over length.
Therefore, to find the speed that an actual physical object is traveling at, all one only needs to know is the
distance that object traveled
over how long it took. To obtain that 'ratio' measuring devices are used. To measure distance increments of, for example, feet or miles are used, and the device used to measure distance is called an odometer, and, to measure how long the object took to travel that distance increments of, for example, seconds or minutes are used and the name of that device to measure how long it took is called a clock or a watch.
So, to make it absolutely CLEAR:
The ratio of
the distance traveled over how long it takesindicates the
speed of an actual physical object.
And, the ratio of
space over time to indicate speed, is False, Wrong, and Incorrect, because space and time are not even physical things to begin with, thus they do not even have the ability to move, let alone move at speed.
Therefore, saying,
"Worldly = space/time (as: speed) = observable", is just plain illogical and nonsensical.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmWhat IS the 'yin-yang' and what are the 'eyes of the yin-yang'?
Primordial Reciprocity: the eyes being the fulcrum.
Well this does not explain to much at all. But if that is all you got, then that is all you have got.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmSpace and time do not interact,
Wrong.
LOL This says even less than last time
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmso there is NO interaction, which is 'motion' concerning any subject. Unless of course you can provide an actual example of such.
Sound.
I am listening, but this is also NOT saying any thing at all, to me.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmTo me, both are just a measured distance.
"To me"
Do you stand among the
relativists in the
cult of Einstein?
No.
I stand alone.
Absolutely EVERY thing is RELATIVE to the observer.
Unless you can prove otherwise.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmBut are forces physical things?
If yes, then time and space are obviously not physical things.
"Physical things" are not
physical - they are
motion.
How could a 'physical thing' not be
physical?
And, if, to you, 'physical things' are not
physical, then is any thing
physical?
Just wondering, do you even see and/or hear the absurdity and/or contradiction of what saying and writing,
" "physical things" are not physical ", even looks and sounds like?
Are you able to clarify or clear up this apparent absurd and contradictory statement or proposition of yours?
Can you please highlight and show the truth in it, to me, that is; if there is any?
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmAtoms are
particular configurations of motion.
Are 'atoms', to you, physical?
Also, what is motion, (or in motion) if it is not
physical?
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmSo, just because you wrote: "There is no contradiction", are you under some sort of illusion that then MEANS for sure "there is no contradiction"?
Not for any such reason. Still: there is no contradiction because there was a contradiction (now) resolved.
But where was it supposedly (now) resolved? In that head only, because I did not see it resolved anywhere in these writings.
To remind the readers, "surreptitious57" wrote:
I think that time is the measurement of change and motion is needed for change to happen
Without motion there can be no change and if there is no change then there can be no time
To which you replied:
Very well observed: indeed, the universe is strictly motion.
And,
Worldly = space/time (as: speed) = observable
I replied by saying:
You just wrote "well observed" but then contradict that.
You then said:
There is no contradiction.
But, then changed this to after I pointed out a FACT, and then you said:
There was a contradiction (now) resolved.
In case you were unaware of what contradiction I was talking about, which appears extremely likely to be the case, especially since you NEVER even questioned me about what contradiction I was actually talking about, and instead all you did at first was just flat out reject that there was even a contradiction at all, so I will tell you what the contradiction was, which I note is obviously still not resolved, you agreed with "surreptitious57" that time is just a measurement, and thus not a physical thing, which you acknowledged was "well observed", but then went on to immediately say that "space/time (as: speed) = observable", which contradicts 'time is the measurement of change'.
Now, the only one who can clarify if this is a contradiction or not is "surreptitious57", by them explaining what they meant, by what they said, and then 'you' confirming what you meant, by what you said.
Obviously, if I say what you said contradicted what "another" said, and the "other" has not joined in to this part of the discussion, then you could NOT have (now) resolved the contradiction.
Also, it may have helped from the outset if you actually KNEW what the contradiction WAS exactly BEFORE you say things like: "There is no contradiction", or "there was a contradiction (now) resolved".
Besides all of this, you also made the CLAIM:
There is no contradiction.
I then said:
so now you let us see you back up this claim with evidence.
What evidence do you have that what you wrote is not a contradiction?
Of which you OBVIOUSLY did NOT provide absolutely any thing because you would have absolutely NO idea at all what 'contradiction' I was even talking about.
You just did what 'you', human beings, do when I say things. That is; instantly ASSUME some thing, which is nearly always WRONG, jump to the conclusion that your very OWN ASSUMPTION is true, right, and correct, and then start BELIEVING that your very OWN, invariably wrong, ASSUMPTION is actually True, Right, and Correct, without EVER even thinking of clarifying what it is that I was actually even talking about.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmIf you are, then I could just wrote, "Yes there is", and then I would be right? So, who would end up being the rightest of the right? Just the last one to write, "there is" or "there is not"?
What can not be
falsified invariably dwells in the domain of
possibly true.
So what?
Was this meant to have any relation to what I was just saying and pointing out here?
I was pointing out that you are under some sort of illusion that just because you right things like: "There is no contradiction", then that somehow makes it true. As I have SHOWN, you make up some ASSUMPTION, jump to the conclusion that YOUR ASSUMPTION is true and right, and then you, very sadly, start BELIEVING your very own ASSUMED CONCLUSIONS are actually the Truth of things.
By the way, "What can not be
falsified invariably dwells in the domain of
possibly true", may in fact be thee Truth, in and of Itself. But, just as True is the fact that just about all of what you human beings think and say CAN BE Falsified or proven True, anyway. See, thee Truth of things can be recognized, SEEN, and UNDERSTOOD almost instantly, that is once you discover or learn how to do it.
Also, for example, even your BELIEF that "There is no contradiction", or, "There was a contradiction (now) resolved" statements or propositions could have been Falsified or proven True almost immediately, and still can, instead of
dwelling in the domain of (the never ending)
possibly true syndrome.
Even just the thought of that kind of living of never knowing and being stuck in that domain sounds just so depressing and down.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmWhat I like to do is provide evidence, after asked for, when I make a claim.
If it is a problem, either don't make claims or don't bother with people demanding evidence.
Are you SERIOUSLY this stupid or blind?
I just wrote I LIKE to PROVIDE EVIDENCE, AFTER asked for, when I make a claim.
The issue I have is I RARELY, if ever, get asked for evidence. This is because 'you', people, either ASSUME or BELIEVE that I could not possibly have any for some of the claims I make or that I possibly could NEVER provide any.
There is NO problem whatsoever ANYWHERE. If you do NOT ask for evidence for what I CLAIM, then OBVIOUSLY you have absolutely NO real interest in MY CLAIM, and SO there is NO use me going on anymore about it.
The DIFFERENCE between 'you' and 'I' IS, 'I' can provide evidence for ALL of MY CLAIMS, whereas 'you' have ALREADY SHOWN that you can NOT provide ANY evidence at all for your CLAIMS, which I have asked you to provide evidence for.
And, seriously are you REALLY saying, "don't bother with people demanding evidence"? Have you REALLY NOT been reading what I WRITE?
I WANT 'you', people, to DEMAND evidence from ME for absolutely EVERY little or big thing I CLAIM.
I absolutely LOVE and THRIVE being challenged, questioned, harassed, and 'drilled to the core' while being demanded for EVIDENCE and PROOF for what I say AND CLAIM.
The MORE you WANT and DEMAND from ME, the HAPPIER I become.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pm If they take the default position of expecting someone else to prove something to them, they already show a lack of genuine interest. Better would be: "can you point me in the direction as to what lead you to your conclusion?" This indicates genuine interest and willingness to undertake a disciplined inquiry.
I do NOT care what you do nor how you do it. Just do some thing to SHOW there is some sort of interest in what I SAY and CLAIM, instead of SHOWING the DISBELIEF held within 'you', human beings.
By the way, what you said about;
This indicates a genuine interest and willingness to undertake a disciplined inquiry' sounds absolutely BEAUTIFUL and WISE, to me, so why do you NOT show ANY interest at all, let alone an interest of that magnitude and excellence?
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmYou just claimed that "there is no contradiction", so now you let us see you back up this claim with evidence.
What evidence do you have that what you wrote is not a contradiction?
What evidence do you have there ever was one to begin with? That would be the starting point.
Yes EXACTLY, that would HAVE been the starting point.
So, now IMAGINE if you had just started off by SHOWING some sort of OPENNESS and INTEREST, and just asked me a very simple and inquisitiveness, clarifying question like:
What contradiction are you talking about?
INSTEAD of some thing as BOLD and as CLOSED as:
There is no contradiction?
Put it to work with an example and show it an action.
There is nothing to put to work - it is already working. You see one-half (technically: one-quarter) of it as the observable universe.[/quote]
You supposedly see one-half (technically: one-quarter) of 'what' (exactly) as the observable universe? In other words what is the 'it' in your statement/proposition?
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmBut you did not show any thing above.
Explain how space AND time are inseparable?
Everything that exists in time, exists in space.
Everything that exists in space, exists in time.
Everything that exists, exists in both.
But neither 'time' nor 'space' are actual things in which other things could exist (nor be) in.
'Space' is just a part of the Universe, Itself, and so 'space' is in the Universe and not the other way around as you just proposed here.
'Time' is just a word, which is used to describe when we are talking about the perceived length between two or more perceived separate events.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmWhile you are at explain to the readers what 'space' is exactly, and what 'time' is exactly, and make those definitions fit in perfectly with absolutely EVERY thing else in the Universe.
They are reciprocals of one another. Reciprocity is a universal phenomenon.
They may well be reciprocals of one another, and reciprocity may well be a universal phenomenon, BUT this says absolutely NOTHING AT ALL about What 'space' IS nor about What 'time' IS exactly, which is, exactly, what I asked you about.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmThe Hebrew word for 'GOD' אלהים denotes this reciprocity:
אל - 'el' as in: towards, leader
ה - 'ha' as in: conduit, womb
ים - 'im' as in: sea, expanse
What 'el' is to masculine bestowal,
'im' is to feminine reception
transacted through the common 'ha'.
I am
that
I am
Adam
and
Eve
all satisfy the same:
(+|-)
ȸ = Male (phallus)
ȹ = Female (ovum)
'GOD' is the prolonged reciprocity of the the bestowal and reception principles
ad infinitum.
This is how/why the orgasm/spasm is linked to lust/ego: the more there is, the less "uninterrupted" interaction there is.
Sorry if that is too "deep".
But it is NOT deep at all, well to me anyway.
I have ALREADY EXPLAINED just HOW 'God' is in relation to the TWO, which denotes the reciprocal NATURE of the Universe, Itself, and just HOW there has to be TWO, for Everything to exist. And, I could go on for hours explaining and PROVING with EVIDENCE this fact, BUT, in NO way at all in any thing you have just said here even remotely was aligned to what My ACTUAL question asked for, which was:
What 'space' IS, exactly?
What 'time' IS, exactly? And,
Make those definitions fit in perfectly with absolutely EVERY thing else in the Universe.
When, and only WHEN, you can do that, then what God actually IS will become FULLY UNDERSTOOD, and KNOWN.
But as of now, you are still struggling to even begin to remotely explain what 'space' and what 'time' IS actually.
All things have to be able to be explained FULLY, if we want to get to the actual deep and underlying Truths of ALL things.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmI can do it, so surely some one so much better than me could also do it as well.
Where did
this come from?
One place was when you said:
I'm surprised you didn't know that.
Speaking like that makes out that what you said was 100% true, right, and correct, (which, by the way, is yet to be proven, and not just accepted or believed that it is), anyway, and by saying that you are surprised that "others" do not know that also, implies or infers a sense of one is better than the "other" for knowing some thing, which the "other" did not.
Also, IF and WHEN one realizes that they are NOT superior to "another" then they would NEVER say such a thing, as one who Truly KNOWS who they ARE NEVER makes such ASSUMPTIONS as was made there, as well as even if they found out FOR SURE that the "other" did not yet know some thing, then they would NEVER be surprised because they KNOW that absolutely EVERY thing like this is learned in Life, through experiences, and so if some one does not yet know some thing, then all that means is that they have just not yet experienced it so far.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmAlso, are you aware we are looking at and talking about different things?
There is only one thing.
Excellent response. And, what is that one and only thing?
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pm'Try' and put them as one. If space and time are one the same as 'yin-yang', then explain how they are one.
Also, the last step in understanding is realizing that Everything is One.
You're contradicting yourself now.
This is just a 'paradox', that is;
A seemingly contradiction, but which on further investigation expresses a truth. And, some say; 'Life is a paradox'.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pm Also:
Oneness is not in understanding. There is something beyond understanding: wisdom. Wisdom makes one. Understanding takes two, trying/testing/falsifying makes two one. Tree of Living: binah = understanding, chokmah = wisdom, kether = crown.
As I said; the last step in understanding is REALIZING ...
Could REALIZING be 'wisdom'?
Could working together and putting words together through 'logical reasoning' the Truth be put together and found to be as One? Or, will it always be "one is right" and the "other" "one is wrong"?
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pm+A = Belief
-A = Knowledge
Subject +A to -A (what is presently known).
If -A is not sufficient to falsify +A, seek the knowledge needed to either truthify or falsify +A (into -A).
Belief (+A) becomes Knowledge (-A) ad infinitum.
I find using actual words of things instead of just meaningless symbols, which obviously could refer to absolutely any thing at all, is so much easier to follow and accept. Using real true to life examples, for me anyway, makes what it is that you are 'trying to' reveal so much easier to, literally, see and understand.
By the way, you NEVER explained how time and space are actually one the same as 'yin-yang'.
But you do, quite frequently, NOT explain any thing that I ask you if you can.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmNobody comes to the Father but by way of.
Who and/or what is the 'Father' word in relation to here?
And, who and/or what is the 'Nobody' that comes to that 'Father'?
Once again, ALL-OF-THIS can be explained in a way that fits in PERFECTLY with EVERY thing else.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmAnd, remember 'you' have just separated space and time, by using the very term "space AND time".
The accuser is the accused. You're collapsing in on yourself (as alluded to earlier).
This re-repeated saying is the biggest load of
The accuser is the accused itself.
STOP turning things around and LOOKING AT and accusing "others" of doing some thing, which has never even been explained what it actually means yet, by the way, and START LOOKING AT what is said.
Either you separated 'spacetime' by calling 'IT' 'space' AND 'time' or you did not.
Now, either just accept that that is exactly what you did, if you did do that. Or, if you did NOT do that, then explain HOW and WHY you did not do that.
But by LOOKING AT the actual WORDS that YOU wrote, then it is pretty OBVIOUS just HOW you separated 'spacetime', Itself.
NOT looking at things being pointed out to you, and you then turning this back onto the "other" is SHOWING how deceptive you are 'trying to' be. If you BELIEVE what I said is wrong, then just SHOW it is wrong, by PROVING just HOW it is WRONG. Explaining WHY it is WRONG is even better for both of "us". But instead just accusing me of some thing, some will have NOTICED is;
"The accuser is the accused", ITSELF, as some say.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmNot everyone is aware space and time are reciprocals of one another, thus out of respect for such ignorance they are first treated as separate, then united. Such things should be obvious, and are obvious, but not obvious to people who are only acting from a place of enmity.
Remember where you asked me before, Where did
this come from?
Well this kind of talking, which you have done previously, is ANOTHER example of where
that came from.
Just because people do not yet know some thing, then this is NOT out of "such ignorance", but rather just out of "not yet learning" that thing.
Inferring some thing is not yet known, out of "such ignorance", expresses and shows a better or a superiority complex.
Now, you can 'try to' fool us by using words like "out of respect" and "they are first treated as separate", but did you forget that it was 'you' just now who was INSISTING that 'They are NOT separate'?
You even used the actual words:
The first step in understanding this is to stop trying to separate space and time.
Now, this appears to absolutely and completely CONTRADICT what you are 'trying to' say here now.
Maybe if you had just LOOKED AT and acknowledged that you did actually separate 'spacetime' by using the actual separating terms of 'space' AND 'time', and explained why you are doing what you are telling us to STOP doing, then you might not have gone down this path of now 'trying to' "justify" your very own contradictory actions or behaviors, and now would not be in this predicament?
Of, are you able to EXPLAIN ALL-OF-THIS apparent contradictions now, in a logically reasoned way, without contradicting more nor 'trying to' minimize nor "justify" "yourself" again?
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmIf you want to talk about space and time as one inseparable entity then what could be a better term to use? Oh, how about 'spacetime'?
Doesn't work: 'timespace' would be just as valid, however when dealing in imaginary numbers, the order of these numbers matters ie. 'timespace' does
not equal 'spacetime' as they are reciprocals of one another. It would be like saying n/1 = 1/n which is not only false, but upside-down.
I get lost when you start using "symbols" instead of real actual words.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmAre you laughing 'trying to' suggest that the Mind's Eye is only available to SOME people?
Not the mind's eye itself, just the capacity to see space and time as reciprocals of one another.
You MISUNDERSTOOD the question. But, anyway from the way you have responded, are you laughing at, and/or suggesting, that NOT everyone could understand this?
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmExcept space and time are NOT in motion at all, OBVIOUSLY. Unless of course some one can SHOW how space and time actually moves.
Read:
A (ie. any manifest subject) must have motion as an intrinsic property.
'Space' AND 'time' are NOT manifest subjects, which are capable of motion. This is because of what 'space' AND 'time' ACTUALLY ARE.
Only physical objects are capable of motion. This capability of physical things to move is because of 'space', itself.
The actual intrinsic property of 'space' AND 'time' means that they BOTH can NOT move, and as such do NOT have motion at all.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmDo you selectively omit reading what would otherwise negate your contention?
Are you REALLY or SERIOUSLY 'trying to' SUGGEST that just because you wrote some words down, then that MEANS that they are an irrefutable fact?
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmSo, for all of those that say space and time move or are in motion, then go right ahead and explain and show HOW.
Nobody ever said this - your "mind's eye" wishes it to be this way such to satiate your enmity.
You ability to INSTANTLY turn things around, deflect, and LOOK AT some thing else, usually the "person" instead of what was just written down and direct all attention to the person, them "self", and NOT at what was said at all, happens quite frequently when you do NOT know how to answer or respond to what was just said.
Now, let us actually LOOK AT this, in more depth, I NEVER even remotely suggested any thing about said 'WHAT', EXACTLY.
I NEVER said ANYBODY said ANY THING. I said, if we LOOK AT it again; So, for all the those that say space and time move or are in motion, which 'YOU',
"nothing' ARE one of 'those', then, to 'you', I said: go right ahead and explain and show HOW (space and time move or are in motion).
Now, you have made the CLAIM that space and time move, or are in motion, so, now, back up and support this CLAIM with EVIDENCE and better still with ACTUAL REAL PROOF.
Oh, by the way, that is if you can.
If, however, you can NOT, then just continue on what you are doing are turn this completely around to 'try to' LOOK AT 'me' and what you IMAGINE I am doing.
But as I have suggested earlier to 'you' and to "others", I think you will find it better for "yourselves" if you actually have some thing PRIOR to support and back up what it is that you want to claim BEFORE you make the actual claim itself.
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmAnd we only have three more days to wait.
I'm glad you are excited. However you will not find the full release of CKIIT on this forum - it has a global launch on another platform.
Will you provide ANY hints as to what that platform actually is?
nothing wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:09 pmI may (or may not) do a forum edition post that eventually links to the global one, but as this forum has so little traffic it would hardly be worth the time.
Yes so true, we would NOT want you to waste your time here in this forum, especially considering you never even planned to tell us what this secret ckiit is anyway on here.
By the way, and just curious, what are you here in this forum for anyway?
Besides telling us that you are going to launch some secret thing next year and that that secret thing will have the full release on another platform, the only other thing that I have really gotten from you is that you do not like mohammed, but you do like muslim woman.