Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 2:18 pm
John 8:44 ESV
''You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.''
What do those words mean?
As a matter of curiosity, what do you believe Jesus had in mind? Also, where does your post just prior fit into with this?
Lying kills your true nature which is goodness.
Goodness is the true self. And the real truth can never lie.
Lying as murder ..is simply a metaphor pointing to the sense of a false self, aka the imposter, but goodness aka Jesus, is unconditional love had to die so that the imposter could take pole position in life. Already knowing the position was a fake position, a lie so to speak. That death was the ultimate sacrifice of goodness knowing the difference between the imposter and the true self.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 09, 2025 3:44 am
The liar destroys the genuineness that allows the soul to breath and when the soul cannot breath it becomes crippled and dies soon after. Who we are within forms the reality around us as the act of paying attention transmutes the reality of experience by our release into it. The more genuine we are the more genuine reality is.
Souls don't breathe. Bodies do. Besides, if the liar destroys his own soul he is more like a suicide than a murderer.
The inherent pulsing of existence as a cyclical rythym within experience is how we percieve, how we percieve is the identity of the soul.
Jesus repeatedly emphasized the point the He spoke in figurative language. There's a metaphor at play there. It's one of the many reasons that many Christians don't understand what Jesus was saying. Especially Evangelical Christians in the US with their chosen methodology of "plain reading". Jesus was a great conceptual thinker. Attempting to understand what He was saying in a simplistic manner doesn't work.
Given the variable meanings to symbols sometimes, not always, deep truths need to be expressed alleghorically or metaphorically as the deeper the truth the more layered it is...and symbolism allows this. I remember reading a Taoist philosopher who claimed that some truths can only be expressed through poetry.
Actually, for the most part the metaphors used by Jesus are quite straightforward. It's not about "poetry".
Fairy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 07, 2025 2:18 pm
John 8:44 ESV
''You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.''
What do those words mean?
As a matter of curiosity, what do you believe Jesus had in mind? Also, where does your post just prior fit into with this?
Lying kills your true nature which is goodness.
Goodness is the true self. And the real truth can never lie.
Lying as murder ..is simply a metaphor pointing to the sense of a false self, aka the imposter, but goodness aka Jesus, is unconditional love had to die so that the imposter could take pole position in life. Already knowing the position was a fake position, a lie so to speak. That death was the ultimate sacrifice of goodness knowing the difference between the imposter and the true self.
Thanks. Quite frankly I had trouble making sense of what you wrote. Can you elaborate? Or at least rephrase it?
As but a few examples:
"imposter could take pole position"? Did you mean "true self"? If not what do you mean by "pole position"
"Jesus is unconditional love". Insofar as I know, Jesus never claimed to be "unconditional love". In fact, He made it clear that His love is conditional. cl
"[Jesus'} death was the ultimate sacrifice of goodness". Insofar as I know, Jesus never claimed this.
Also from what I could gather, it seems that what you wrote is more about your conception of Jesus rather what Jesus had in mind.
ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:43 pm
As but a few examples:
"imposter could take pole position"? Did you mean "true self"? If not what do you mean by "pole position"
The imposter is just a metaphor for the human ego who thinks it is the true master. But that's a lie. The ego is like a devil, it is the lie. But the true master is the truth of light. The truth is the Christ Consciousness, the good self. The true immortal self.
In John Milton's book Paradise Lost - Book II it says that it is better to rule over - be like a king in hell than to serve somebody as a slave in heaven. So it means it is better to be in a bad place and rule over the place rather than to go to a good place and work as a servant there.
In reality, we cannot serve two masters. As awareness, we can choose to serve goodness or it's opposite.
''Spirit ( Christ Consciousness ) is therefore unalterable because it is already perfect, but the mind can elect what it chooses to serve. The only limit put on its choice is that it cannot serve two masters. If it elects to do so, the mind can become the medium by which spirit creates along the line of its own creation. If it does not freely elect to do so, it retains its creative potential but places itself under tyrannous rather than Authoritative control. As a result it imprisons, because such are the dictates of tyrants. To change your mind means to place it at the disposal of true Authority.''
ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:43 pmAlso from what I could gather, it seems that what you wrote is more about your conception of Jesus rather what Jesus had in mind.
What I wrote was what Jesus had in mind. As Jesus is a metaphor for the Immortal spirit, or the true Light of Christ Consciousness, if you prefer.
ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2025 8:43 pm"Jesus is unconditional love". Insofar as I know, Jesus never claimed to be "unconditional love". In fact, He made it clear that His love is conditional. cl
"[Jesus'} death was the ultimate sacrifice of goodness". Insofar as I know, Jesus never claimed this.
Jesus is just a metaphor for Unconditional Love.
The freedom to choose between a good life or a bad life.
Love always wins the battle between good verses evil. Love is a metaphor for LIGHT and the light is immortal, while darkness is illusory. Darkness is contingent upon the light for it's illusory appearance, but light is eternally self illuminating.
Ego is the son of man. This love is conditional. But even the conditional is of the true father who is unconditionally the giver of life.
So even as material life is known as conditional, it is a subset of the superset which is unconditional. All conditions are unconditional.
“All beings are to be redeemed from the illusion which is the fountain of their troubles. None is to be compelled to assume irrationally an alien set of duties or other functions than his own. Spirit is not to be incarcerated perpetually in grotesque and accidental monsters, but to be freed from all fatality and compulsion. The goal is not some more flattering incarnation, but escape from incarnation altogether. Ignorance is to be enlightened, passion calmed, mistaken destiny revoked; only what the inmost being desiderates, only what can really quiet the longings embodied in any particular will, is to occupy the redeemed mind.”
What do those words mean?
What do those words mean?