philosophical quest and modernity

[Peter Kropotkin]

Even a cursory look at modern history,
tells us the modern quest has been for certainty......
socially, politically, economically, philosophically and historically.....
for example, the quest, political in seeking out certainty has
been reflected in the modern need for dictatorships... the conservative
love for dictators like Putin and his mini me, IQ45, has dominated
conservative values for quite a while.... Hitler and Mussolini,
were right wing wet dreams.... the list of right wing dictators
today also fits into that wet dream territory ....
for example, Iran has Ali Khamenei, China Xi Jinping, North Korea
Kim Jong-un, Turkey Recep Erdogan, and these are some examples... many
others could have been named...the quest for a dictator is the
quest for certainity.....

the real question today is how we find and keep certainty in our lives....
even Philosophy engages in this game of seeking certainty....
and in Science, the search for the ''Theory of Everything'' or TOE
is just another quest for certainty....

but as I have already noted, it is the lack of certainty that drives
our modern world....as we slowly come to terms with one of the
real drivers of our modern life... which is chance, probability,
randomness....... our lives, our actions, our beliefs, our hopes can
be, at any time, interrupted by chance, random events.....
dozens of Americans were killed in the last several hours by violent
storms... how does one plan for that? there is no rhyme or reason as
to where a tornado lands..... in a large fire, which houses get
burned down and which don't.....

our lives are not dictated by mathematical certainty but by
unpredictable events, acts, or the randomness of people.....
the event that has dominated my life, my being born with a severe
hearing loss, was totally random... random events caused by other people...
and my event is matched by millions of random events that
happen every single day in our lives, both individually and collectively.....

it is not certainty that we must come to grips with, but uncertainty,
chance, randomness, probability...... life itself is a random event,
as is clearly shown by evolution in which probability is one
of the main drivers of human evolution....

the question of god is not how he dictates the events of existence,
but how he is impacted by the random and chaotic nature of
the universe...... if, if god dictated everything, then we have
a god that is random, full of probability and chance....

Once seen, we cannot unsee the reality of nature being random and
full of probability... our lives is dictated by chance, not planned
events...

so, the question becomes, do we fight the random nature of the universe/
reality and continue to seek out certainty, or, or do we accept the
nature of reality/the universe of chance and randomness and act
accordingly, stop seeking out certainty.....

my answer should be clear..... let us accept and work with chance
and randomness...... bake randomness and chance into our every
action and plan..... that events, people, plans, ideas all will go
sideways, we know this in advance and accept it when it happens....

and can we plan on randomness and chance every single time?
no, that is the very problem with probability/chance..... it only
happens occasionally..... randomly..... and cannot be planned for.....

so, we begin by accepting that certainty is not possible in our modern world....
and the only ''truth'' we can know is that every single act, event, person
and idea can be and will be impacted by randomness and chance......
we just can't know the who, what, when, where, why and how of
randomness......it is, random......

Kropotkin

[attofishpi]

Even a cursory look at modern history,
tells us the modern quest has been for certainty......
socially, politically, economically, philosophically and historically.....
for example, the quest, political in seeking out certainty has
been reflected in the modern need for dictatorships... the conservative
love for dictators like Putin and his mini me, IQ45, has dominated
conservative values for quite a while.... Hitler and Mussolini,
were right wing wet dreams.... the list of right wing dictators
today also fits into that wet dream territory ....
for example, Iran has Ali Khamenei, China Xi Jinping, North Korea
Kim Jong-un, Turkey Recep Erdogan, and these are some examples... many
others could have been named...the quest for a dictator is the
quest for certainity.....

the real question today is how we find and keep certainty in our lives....
even Philosophy engages in this game of seeking certainty....
and in Science, the search for the ''Theory of Everything'' or TOE
is just another quest for certainty....

but as I have already noted, it is the lack of certainty that drives
our modern world....as we slowly come to terms with one of the
real drivers of our modern life... which is chance, probability,
randomness....... our lives, our actions, our beliefs, our hopes can
be, at any time, interrupted by chance, random events.....
dozens of Americans were killed in the last several hours by violent
storms... how does one plan for that? there is no rhyme or reason as
to where a tornado lands..... in a large fire, which houses get
burned down and which don't.....

our lives are not dictated by mathematical certainty but by
unpredictable events, acts, or the randomness of people.....
the event that has dominated my life, my being born with a severe
hearing loss, was totally random... random events caused by other people...
and my event is matched by millions of random events that
happen every single day in our lives, both individually and collectively.....

it is not certainty that we must come to grips with, but uncertainty,
chance, randomness, probability...... life itself is a random event,
as is clearly shown by evolution in which probability is one
of the main drivers of human evolution....

the question of god is not how he dictates the events of existence,
but how he is impacted by the random and chaotic nature of
the universe...... if, if god dictated everything, then we have
a god that is random, full of probability and chance....

Once seen, we cannot unsee the reality of nature being random and
full of probability... our lives is dictated by chance, not planned
events...

so, the question becomes, do we fight the random nature of the universe/
reality and continue to seek out certainty, or, or do we accept the
nature of reality/the universe of chance and randomness and act
accordingly, stop seeking out certainty.....

my answer should be clear..... let us accept and work with chance
and randomness...... bake randomness and chance into our every
action and plan..... that events, people, plans, ideas all will go
sideways, we know this in advance and accept it when it happens....

and can we plan on randomness and chance every single time?
no, that is the very problem with probability/chance..... it only
happens occasionally..... randomly..... and cannot be planned for.....

so, we begin by accepting that certainty is not possible in our modern world....
and the only ''truth'' we can know is that every single act, event, person
and idea can be and will be impacted by randomness and chance......
we just can't know the who, what, when, where, why and how of
randomness......it is, random......

Kropotkin

Kropotkin - glad to see you are not giving up on the challenge of being championed as a great philosopher on par with Kant, Hume, Atto, Nietsche.

I am certain someone on the forum might read one of your paragraphs. ..and find it less than a waste of their time.

[Harbal]

Even a cursory look at modern history,
tells us the modern quest has been for certainty......

And what preceded it; the quest for not quite sure?

[Walker]

Even a cursory look at modern history,
tells us the modern quest has been for certainty......
socially, politically, economically, philosophically and historically.....
for example, the quest, political in seeking out certainty has
been reflected in the modern need for dictatorships... the conservative
love for dictators like Putin and his mini me, IQ45, has dominated
conservative values for quite a while.... Hitler and Mussolini,
were right wing wet dreams.... the list of right wing dictators
today also fits into that wet dream territory ....
for example, Iran has Ali Khamenei, China Xi Jinping, North Korea
Kim Jong-un, Turkey Recep Erdogan, and these are some examples... many
others could have been named...the quest for a dictator is the
quest for certainity.....

the real question today is how we find and keep certainty in our lives....
even Philosophy engages in this game of seeking certainty....
and in Science, the search for the ''Theory of Everything'' or TOE
is just another quest for certainty....

but as I have already noted, it is the lack of certainty that drives
our modern world....as we slowly come to terms with one of the
real drivers of our modern life... which is chance, probability,
randomness....... our lives, our actions, our beliefs, our hopes can
be, at any time, interrupted by chance, random events.....
dozens of Americans were killed in the last several hours by violent
storms... how does one plan for that? there is no rhyme or reason as
to where a tornado lands..... in a large fire, which houses get
burned down and which don't.....

our lives are not dictated by mathematical certainty but by
unpredictable events, acts, or the randomness of people.....
the event that has dominated my life, my being born with a severe
hearing loss, was totally random... random events caused by other people...
and my event is matched by millions of random events that
happen every single day in our lives, both individually and collectively.....

it is not certainty that we must come to grips with, but uncertainty,
chance, randomness, probability...... life itself is a random event,
as is clearly shown by evolution in which probability is one
of the main drivers of human evolution....

the question of god is not how he dictates the events of existence,
but how he is impacted by the random and chaotic nature of
the universe...... if, if god dictated everything, then we have
a god that is random, full of probability and chance....

Once seen, we cannot unsee the reality of nature being random and
full of probability... our lives is dictated by chance, not planned
events...

so, the question becomes, do we fight the random nature of the universe/
reality and continue to seek out certainty, or, or do we accept the
nature of reality/the universe of chance and randomness and act
accordingly, stop seeking out certainty.....

my answer should be clear..... let us accept and work with chance
and randomness...... bake randomness and chance into our every
action and plan..... that events, people, plans, ideas all will go
sideways, we know this in advance and accept it when it happens....

and can we plan on randomness and chance every single time?
no, that is the very problem with probability/chance..... it only
happens occasionally..... randomly..... and cannot be planned for.....

so, we begin by accepting that certainty is not possible in our modern world....
and the only ''truth'' we can know is that every single act, event, person
and idea can be and will be impacted by randomness and chance......
we just can't know the who, what, when, where, why and how of
randomness......it is, random......

Kropotkin

Kropotkin - glad to see you are not giving up on the challenge of being championed as a great philosopher on par with Kant, Hume, Atto, Nietsche.

I am certain someone on the forum might read one of your paragraphs. ..and find it less than a waste of their time.

- Uncertainty diminishes as the elements and their interactions that comprise a situation become known.
- Logically from that, uncertainty vanishes completely when every aspect of every element, and the interactions of the present elements, becomes known.
- In theory, with enough collecting data points simultaneously recording and analyzing the relationships of all the elements comprising a situation, and calculating at the speed of light, AI has a shot of someday predicting the future with certainty.
- The ultimate bookie.
- Such perfect knowledge of inevitability is the endpoint of AI, and limited only by detection of every element, and knowledge of every element’s effects with other elements that are constantly and predictably (thanks to the quick calculations) coming and going in predictable ways (thanks to the quick calculations).
- In other words, the pursuit of certainty is not futile.
- I think you’ll agree, that certainty is actually the scientific ideal.
- The ideal of physics is the best guess with available data.

[Peter Kropotkin]

Peter Kropotkin:
Even a cursory look at modern history,
tells us the modern quest has been for certainty......

Harbal: And what preceded it; the quest for not quite sure?


K: think about it.... we have religions, they are the poster child of certainty....
think of the political, where Monarchy ruled... we have the vast majority
of people living in the rural agriculture world of the seasons, the daily grind
of growing things... where the seasons ruled the life of those who lived there...
that is nothing more than living in the certainty of existence...
for the most part, life was about getting certainty.... religiously, socially,
politically, economically.. it was a given, the unpredictability of
the universe....and those religious, political, social and economic
factors were a hedge against the uncertainties of the universe.....
these days we often miss this because we exists in a very different
universe/reality than most of the human race..... that until the Industrial
Revolution, most people lived in the rural agricultural world... the vast
majority of human beings did not live in cities, but out in the country
growing stuff.... look at a map of say, London around 1700, and one
will see field and farms within a mile of Westminster Abby....
and that is true of virtually all of Europe...

When I was a kid in Minneapolis Minnesota, a half hour drive in any direction from
downtown, and one was in farmland and fields....and that was in 1960....

we think of how people lived as living in cities, but the reality is, that most
of the human race, most of the time, lived in rural countryside.... growing
things... and that creates a very different mindset then the one we have
today....

Kropotkin

[Walker]

Even a cursory look at modern history,
tells us the modern quest has been for certainty......
socially, politically, economically, philosophically and historically.....
for example, the quest, political in seeking out certainty has
been reflected in the modern need for dictatorships...

Kropotkin

That's a stretch ...

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This is how it’s possible to spot mind control and propaganda, with certainty.

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[Peter Kropotkin]

attofishpi:
Kropotkin - glad to see you are not giving up on the challenge of being championed as a great philosopher on par with Kant, Hume, Atto, Nietsche.

I am certain someone on the forum might read one of your paragraphs. ..and find it less than a waste of their time.

K: Two things... one, my attempt to greatness, is something that everyone
should stive for, in whatever field they choose.... should I be like you and
choose to be a mediocre philosopher with no attempt to get better?
No, my own personal hero is Icarus.... even if I crash and burn, at least
I tried... and I would rather fail trying to reach the sun than succeed by
being mediocre...

Two: unlike yourself, I don't rate philosophers or philosophy by how many
readers it has.... numbers don't create greatness...
and I don't care who likes it or who doesn't.... I am not
seeking out the greatest number of readers... it doesn't matter
to me if no one reads me, one reads me, or millions read me....

I seek out greatness, not numbers....

Kropotkin