Because you think that Subjectivism is right, and all forms of Moral Objectivism are wrong. If you did not think that, you'd never have started arguing about it, because you'd have to assume I was right...at least, as right as anybody can be. After all, I'm following the morality my "subjectivity" approves.Harbal wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:41 pmYes, I didn't believe there was such a thing before, and I still don't.Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 4:24 pmRight. And one of us would be right, and one would be wrong, with regard to what the objective morality is. Or, plausibly, we'd both be wrong, and the Hindu would be right, or somebody else would be...and everybody else would be wrong.Harbal wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 7:48 am
No it isn't. Religion based "objective" morality, such as yours, is a question of what religion you happen to belong to. If I were arguing with a Muslim, he wouldn't be telling me quite the same as you are, even though he would be representing the same God as you are.![]()
But it must be obvious that that changes nothing about the existence of objective morality.
So why so opposed?
Exactly so. So you and are are merely arguing about who's right. But Subjectivism has already been debunked here, so it's not clear what you were "right" about.I don't believe there is such a thing as objective moral truth, so whoever claims to have it, I must inevitably think they are wrong.IC wrote:Somebody will be right, and somebodies will be wrong.Harbal wrote:You think you have the real thing, but so do all those others.
And actually, you agree with this. For do you not say that I am "wrong" about there being an objective morality? If so, you must suppose that the Muslim, the Hindu and the Christian are all wrong, and you're right.
See above. If you don't agree with my view, surely what you mean is you believe it to be "wrong."I'm not sure how you've arrived at that conclusion, but if that's how you want to think of it, I don't object.So you and I, and the Hindu and the Muslim, are not actually disagreeing about objective truth, which in this case, is also about the existence of objective morality; we're just disagreeing about who's objectively right.
So my view is that Christian morality is right, and Muslim, Hindu, Subjectivist, Gnostic, Mormon, etc. views of morality are errant.
And your view is that Subjectivist morality is right, and Muslim, Hindu, Objectivist, Gnostic, Mormon, etc. views of morality are all errant.