Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 4:49 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 3:19 pm
Gary Childress wrote: ↑Wed May 22, 2024 11:39 am
As a Christian who claims to have "objective" morality at your calling, maybe you can give a definitive answer as to the following:
A woman is raped by a psychopathic male and is impregnated. She wants no part of having that man's baby. Is it OK for her to abort the fetus before giving birth and if so, how do you know it is or is not? If you're in possession of objective morality as you claim then you can surely demonstrate what the "objective" answer is. So what is it?
Well, I'll answer your question, so long as you accept a caveat, and answer a question I need answered before I can answer.
The caveat, first. I would like to assure myself that you're not merely using the above case in an attempt to justify all abortions. For 99% of abortions, statistically, are not of that type. They're not rape abortions, or incest abortions, or anything of that kind. Less than 1% are those. So if you will begin by agreeing with me that 99% of abortions are immoral, I'll answer your question for you.
However, the second thing I need to do is get more clarity on the question. And so I have to ask the following: is a pre-born baby a human being? And I have to ask that, because the status of the child makes all the difference in the world to what is reasonable to decide, obviously.
A caveat and a question, then. Go ahead.
I am absolutely NOT using the post above to justify all abortions.
A pre-born baby is a human being's preborn baby as far as I'm aware. I know not more than that.
I'll even give you my answer afterward to the scenario to boot. Does that sound fair? You can critique it as much as you wish.
Come on Gary, stop falling for IC's crap.
He's taken a page from Age's book where one must jump through endless hoops of "clarifying questions" before he answers
your question, of which (like Age) he's simply going to continue to avoid no matter what.
He has to avoid it!
And that's because as you know, good and well, he's just going to proclaim the Bible as his source for the proof of the existence of "objective morality," and he knows that there is simply no way of proving Biblical metaphysics to be objectively true.
In which case, you'll get nothing but the run-around or strawman arguments from him.
In the meantime, as it pertains to this recent debate about human morality vs God's morality, let me take a crack at the excellent issue you raised regarding the rape of a woman by a psychopath...
A quick Google search indicated that according to the World Health Organization (WHO), approximately 73 million induced abortions take place worldwide each year.
A similar search indicated that according to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), an estimated 23 million miscarriages occur every year worldwide.
Personally, I am totally against women using abortion as a form of birth control, and I feel (at least in general) that it should only be resorted to in cases of rape, or if the pregnancy clearly endangers the life of the mother.
However, the point is that if we are going to do a comparison between human morality and God's morality in regard to the issue of abortion,...
...then what are we to make of the fact that God allows an estimated 23 million miscarriages...
(which, in truth, is simply a natural form of abortion)
...to occur each year?
I mean, abortion is abortion, regardless of it being natural or induced.
In which case, doesn't
23 million aborted births per year via miscarriages make it seem as if God has no problem with aborting unborn human fetuses?
What do you (or anyone else) think about that?
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