Obviously this topic is too widespread and must be confined down to narrower topics and issues.
Does anybody remember the 2005-2015 '
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse' "Intellectual" movement, represented by Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, and Daniel Dennett? 2005 was about the time I started digging deep into philosophy forums and philosophy, so it was very popular and persuasive at the time:
Secularization of Western Civilization. The case was made against 'Organized Religion' in all its forms. The 'Nietzscheans' were very popular then, and still are, generally. However, if that movement did make a dent in organized religion, then it's hard to tell anywhere except the United States, and outside all the "Conservative-Right" White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant strongholds scattered throughout the United States. Mormonism is growing. The Amish are doing just fine. The Southern Evangelicals took a hit from the Bush Era presidencies, but are also still numerous and powerful. Scientology and other New Age Christian outcrops are still forming.
However nobody can deny this 'Ultra-Liberalization' that proceeded the
Secularization movement and phase.
I just listened to this Jordan Peterson v Daniel Dennett podcast yesterday, very relevant to this thread and all going on:
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWpm2NOF2Zw)
It seems that Daniel Dennett is on his last legs, health-wise though. He's seen better days. However, many of his points are still strong and relevant, harking back to the 05-15 Secularization period. And now everybody, across the world, witnesses the Effects firsthand.
Iwan can rail against the Catholic Church, Diocese, Pope all he likes...it's no different than a hundred million other Western Protestants. There are very specific reasons that 'Protestantism' spread into the New World colonies and not Catholicism,
despite being first touched by Christopher Columbus the Catholic Explorer. And Columbus' Catholicism should be a poignant reminder here: that when it comes to European Discovery, Genius, Invention, Intellectualism, Etc. it is usually the Catholics that dominate. Not the British Isle Protestants, who came late, latecomers to the 'party'. Thus there is a constant
inferiority complex toward the Southern Europeans (Græco-Roman Hellenes), from the Western Europeans (British Islanders), from the Northern Europeans (Vikings), from the Eastern Europeans (Slavic Eurasians and Huns).
None can dispute the Legacy, History, and Tradition of Catholicism to coincide with advanced-modern-post-modern
Human Civilization. Thus it is from this spiritual source, Metaphysics, that first 'domesticated' European men, from Brute Feral Animals, into Human Beings and Becomings. This is the project of Civilization. It makes man
Civil. Without Catholicism
doing all the work, on behalf of the backward Heathens, the lazy and inept Barbarians, the lackadaisical and simple-minded Pagans... then there would be no "Western Civilization" today, no "Christianity", and none of all these successes and standards-of-living that everybody enjoys.
Now it maybe most prudent to discuss the 'Protestant' rift and disputation, between the British Islanders (where this forum is centralized) and the Catholic Church. Because although Columbus (Catholicism) first touched upon the American shores...it was not the Catholics per se who pioneered into the wilderness, or slaughtered their way through a Nation of American Indians. Protestants were necessary during this 'pre-civil' phase, because Protestant Churches
need not be Centralized in order to function and serve their purpose. Thus, there is a 'pragmatic' argument for the short-term and temporary success of the Protestant-version of Christianity in the New World. It was necessary, for the first phase...but has become unnecessary for the second, third, and later phases.
In order to build a proper Civilization, a dominant, absolute, centralized Church is needed. Catholics have already fulfilled this role, for thousands of years. The question now, is what
Choice will Americans make, when it comes to choosing a "New", or pre-existing "Old" Cultural domination.
Because what we have now...
ain't fucking working!
Iwan likes to level those accusations Catholic-pedo-this, Catholic-pedo-that... but let's look at the Western Liberals. How many Transexuals are pedos? How many Homos are pedos? How many LGBTQMAP+ are pedos? How many "furries"? How many "scat" fetishists? How many Marxists, planting their pornographies in public schools? Or how about the drag-time story hours with "It ain't gonna lick itself" flashing signs in front of kids???
Iwan, thought experiment time... let's say a child, age 7, or 8, or 9, or 12, has a freak-Liberal parent like Hairball, who convinces his boy that he's really a "girl", or his girl that he's really a "boy". Then, after all the chemicals, drugs, social-ostracization, invasive surgeries, genital mutilations, castrations, etc. what do you think the boy/girl is going to do? How is the boy/girl going to feel? How bad do you think that life is?!
IT'S HELL!!! IT'S LIVING HELL!
And that these Satanic Liberals can just stand by, idly, while it happens...many encouraging and cheering it on, while children are being sacrificed...YOU HAVE NO GROUNDS FOR MORALITY!
And what is their suicide rate? Over 40% I've read?!
INSANITY!
