seeds wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 6:09 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Apr 01, 2024 9:28 am
As I had stated, to prove God is real, you need to provide evidence of God directly of itself for verification and justification God is really real.
And what if God does not want to be proven to be real?
Do you actually believe that a Being who is capable of creating the vast order of the universe out of the living fabric of its very own being, couldn't
attenuate our awareness in such a way as to keep us from discovering the truth?
I know this question means nothing to you, but how many times do I have to point out the possibility that if God were to reveal itself (along with the truth of our ultimate and eternal destiny), that it could jeopardize the very purpose and reason for why the universe was created in the first place?
And lastly, even though the answer to the following question is implicit within the question itself,...
...if it is indeed possible that God truly does exist as a real (yet transcendent) Entity, then where do you find the gall to question the motives of a Being that is as far above us humans in scope and consciousness, as humans are above amoebas?
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Reality is an imperative 'hallmark' of sanity.
If you do not want to ground God on the basis of reality, then you are associating god with insanity from the start.
If you belief in God is out of reach of reality on a personal basis as confined to your own private thoughts and activities, there is no serious issue with it.
There are lots of usefulness for individual[s] to indulge in fiction while being aware the contents are fictions and not real.
One example of the usefulness of the unreal is 'sexual fantasies'
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sexual fantasy or erotic fantasy is an autoerotic mental image or pattern of thought that stirs a person's sexuality and can create or enhance sexual arousal.[1] A sexual fantasy can be created by the person's imagination or memory, and may be triggered autonomously or by external stimulation such as erotic literature or pornography, a physical object, or sexual attraction to another person. Anything that may give rise to a sexual arousal may also produce a sexual fantasy, and sexual arousal may in turn give rise to fantasies.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_fantasy#:~:text
Also, Einstein stated "imagination is more important than knowledge."
Thus, if your admit your belief in God is not grounded on reality, then I am not interested in refuting your claim. You can carry on with your private thoughts as much as you like.
I have always stated along with Kant, God is not real but any one can think of God albeit recognizing God is an illusion that is useful for
unavoidable psychological & therapeutic reasons.
However, any argument and belief that God exists as real must be taken seriously and be refuted because such a belief have serious dangerous impact of evil that is detrimental to humanity.
It is so evident that theists claim their god to be really real to the extent;
- god sent his sons, messenger, prophets, agents, etc. to deliver his holy commands to human beings that they must obey his commands absolutely [to the best of their abilities] in exchange with a promise of salvation in heaven which result in theists;
-killing non-believers from individual[s] to genocidal scale.
-suppress the freedom of non-believers
-burnt abortion clinics
-hinder knowledge with their creationist theories
-pose a threat to the extinction of the human species -their disregard for MAD -
X
-all sort of evil acts as sanction within God holy book.
As a fool-proof measure to avoid
X [plus all other god driven evil acts], it is effective to gradually wean off and ultimately eliminate the belief of God as real in the future [not possible now].
However, due to unavoidability, it is acceptable for theists to believe in God for some 'salvation' and other purposes, but only on the basis that God is not a real entity but merely an illusion, i.e. a useful illusion like other fantasies.