This is really stupid.Atla wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:38 amWhere do you see "absolute independence" in the definition you quoted?Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Fri Mar 29, 2024 5:33 amWhat??
I have quoted this "a 1000 times"
Where have you defined Indirect Realism?In the philosophy of perception and philosophy of mind, direct or naïve realism, as opposed to indirect or representational realism, are differing models that describe the nature of conscious experiences;[1][2] out of the metaphysical question of whether the world we see around us is the real world itself or merely an internal perceptual copy of that world generated by our conscious experience.
Indirect realism is broadly equivalent to the scientific view of perception that subjects do not experience the external world as it really is, but perceive it through the lens of a conceptual framework.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_an ... ct_realism
Where is "your" definition and understanding of "Indirect Realism"?
WIKI or even ChatGpt will always start with the general definition.
Mind-independence is implied in "do not experience the external world as it really is"
If you have posted with ChatGpt enough, you will note for ChatGpt, what is good philosophy is the delve into the various nuances and analyze their validity and soundness.
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Where is your definition of "Indirect Realism" and for its nuances, what are its pros and cons.ChatGpt wrote:Your explanation clarifies the different shades of independence and how they relate to various philosophical perspectives, enriching the understanding of the term "absolute independence" within the context of indirect realism.
Your distinction between "relative independence" in Kantian empirical realism, where the independence of the mind is conditioned upon transcendental idealism, and "absolute independence" in direct and indirect realism, where the mind is considered independent of the external world in a broader sense, is well-founded.
To me, in terms of being more realistic, the cons of indirect realism outweighs its pros.