This one believes, and absolutely, that its own misinterpretations of things here are the only choices one can choose from, and just as bad is that this one believes, again absolutely, that there are only two things to choose from, only.Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:50 pmK: I guess that I will have to provide a bit of a deeper argument that youattofishpi wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:20 pmOf course we have free will. God would not have bothered issuing Commandments if other_wise.Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:16 pm
K: and does religion/god offer us any free will? nope, none at all....
make your argument over the thesis statement which is free will...
not atheism....
Kropotkin
seem to incapable of...
that we have free will based on religion.....because the bottom line
is not, not about the ten commandments... but about the binary
choice made... belief in god or go to hell....
that is the only choice made in Christainty.....
there is no other choice available ...
to believe is to go to heaven, to sit at the right hand of god,
not to believe is to go to hell, to spend eternity suffering at
the hands of Satan...
and tell me, is there another choice I am missing? of course not...
This one appears to have never ever considered that the only two choices that it claims are possible to choose from could bother be just False and Wrong misinterpretations anyway.
This one, obviously,is holding the completely False and Wrong interpretation/s only here.Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:50 pm the bottom line is heaven or hell... pick and spend eternity there...
What a Truly absurd and CLOSED way to 'look at' and 'see' things here.Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:50 pm Now I ask, what if, what if we took away both the punishment
and the promise... the punishment of hell and the promise
of heaven, what if we took those away... and we have no promise
and no punishment....would you still believe? I don't think so....
and that is why Christianity is a false choice.. remove the punishment
and the promise and there is no reason on earth to believe in god....
both Christianity and Islam would lose their reason for being if we
removed the promise and the punishments...
There are countless other choices or interpretations to 'look at' and 'see'. But, of course, one would have to be OPEN to 'other things' other than the 'two only'.Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:50 pm Would you believe in a god even if there were no punishment,
no promise? would the major religions even exist without the promise
or the threat? as Christianity, Islam and Buddhism all exists because
of the promise or the threat....convert and see heaven or reject
and see hell.... is there a third choice? nope....
Just maybe the 'threat' or 'promise' perspective works perfectly, that is; if one chooses to consider that 'just maybe my strongly held views, beliefs, or interpretations might just be False, Wrong, inaccurate, and/or Incorrect.Peter Kropotkin wrote: ↑Tue Mar 19, 2024 9:50 pm so, religions only survive because of either the promise
or the threat.... and not because of anything that they might have to offer
us in terms of morals or value or peace? nah, just a promise or a punishment...
Kropotkin
And, one will never ever know if they do not become OPEN and consider that just maybe their 'current' views, beliefs, interpretations, or presumptions could be False, Wrong, et cetera here.