Harbal wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 2:48 pm
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:42 am
5. Humans are programmed with an inherent moral function "oughtnotness-to-kill humans"
I can't imagine where you've got that idea from when it is glaringly obvious that it isn't true.
This has been pointed out to him countless times.
The really odd thing is that he appeals to biology as the determiner of morality. IOW we look to biology to determine what is moral. OK, fine, let's where this goes. We have mirror neurons which lead to empathy so it's more to be empathetic. OK fine. And that might lead to urges not to kill even when angry. But we have other parts of the brain associated with aggression that have an oughtness to kill urge.
For a long time VA talked about enhancing the oughtness not to kill parts of the brain. However sympathetic I am with the goal, that is throwing biology out as the authority determining what is moral. It's saying that the current urge to kill is too high and we should enhance the urges or resistance to killing.
Well, then one is dissatisfied with where biology leads us. It is not what (should) determine our behavior.
He wants his morality to be science based, so he looks at physiology in connection to behavior.
Then just on his own authority decides what's wrong with biology without openly saying that.
4. To kill humans is to suppress their "oughtness-to-breathe" thus terminate survival.
You say that as if it is a deterrent to killing, when, in reality, it is usually the reason for it.
And to imprison murderers is to suppress their oughtness to kill they clearly feel.
6. This "oughtnotness-to-kill humans" is a moral element within the morality-proper FSRK.
Surely, morality "proper" is the actual morality that manifests itself in actual human beings, not what some random bloke on an internet forum says it is.
Precisely. And he's not satisfied with actual human beings, which is fine, who is? On the other hand he doesn't seem to notice that he is, yup, just some guy telling us what is objectively moral and for a while he was planning to use technology to make people better according to his values.