Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:35 pm
Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:45 pm
So I made an opening statement which attracted a barrage of bullshit.
You didn't make an opening statement which "attracted a barrage of bullshit".
You made an opening statement which was bullshit.
Sculptor wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 4:45 pm
A miracles is by definition an instance where the laws of nature are transgressed.
This is called the persuasive definition fallacy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persuasive_definition
If you are trying to, or want to, claim that the definition "sculptor" provided was an incorrect or uncommon one, then, by all means, please provide the correct or common definition for the 'miracle' word here "skepdick".
Also, could it be said and/or argued as well that providing links to very specific terms or terminologies could be called 'a persuasive terminology fallacy'? Because obviously "sculptor" could have just linked us to 'a definition' for the 'miracle' word, which would have had the exact same wording.
So, 'now', what is 'your' definition for the 'miracle' word here "skepdick", and which will show 'us' how it differs from "sculptor's" definition for the exact same word.
And, who then is the 'arbitrary decider' if it is not actually 'your own definition', which is actually the so-called 'persuasive definition' one here?
Which, also, and again, brings me back to how many of you posters here have considered why, when the, 'Do you believe in miracles?' question comes up, you people start to begin to think about, question, and/or provide, 'defintions' for 'that word', but, when the, 'Do you believe in God?' question comes up, you people rarely, if ever, think about, question, and/or provide, 'definitions' for 'that word'?
Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:35 pm
A persuasive definition is a form of stipulative definition which purports to describe the true or commonly accepted meaning of a term, while in reality stipulating an uncommon or altered use, usually to support an argument for some view
If so, so how about you provide the, supposed, one and only true, right, accurate, and correct, alleged, 'common' and/or 'unaltered' definition and use of the 'miracle' word.
To me, what you are trying to allege, claim, and argue for here could be the biggest contradiction, and/or hypocrisy, ever in 'the world' of 'discussing' and/or 'debating'.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:35 pm
Here's the Oxford definition of the term "miracle".
miracle
/ˈmɪrɪkl/
noun
an extraordinary and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore attributed to a divine agency.
So, here is but one definition out of, literally, countless definitions of the 'miracle' word.
Also, does this definition really deviate 'that much' from the definition that "sculptor" provided here?
If yes, then can I pick one of many, many dictionaries, pick one of the few definitions existing definitions for the 'miracle' word, provide 'that one' definition here, and then claim that it is and was your chosen definition is the so-called 'persuasive definition fallacy' one, and then this makes 'me definition' more common, more unaltered, more true, more right, more accurate, and/or more correct over' your own chosen definition' "skepdick"?
Either way, who then is the 'arbitrary decider and chooser' here, exactly?
Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:35 pm
Congratulations on tripping over your own misunderstanding. Again.
Once again, what has really been occurring and happening here is written down, very clearly, for all to 'look at' and 'see' here.
Skepdick wrote: ↑Fri Mar 01, 2024 5:35 pm
While you are at it here's a further list of miraculous phenomena - e.g phenomena unexplained by our current scientific understanding:
* Quantum Entanglement
* Quantum Gravity
* Dark matter/Dark energy
* TIme
LOL These things are already well understood, and are also thus resolved, but obviously not by every one, in the days when this is being written.
And, if absolutely any one would like to challenge and/or question 'me' over this claim or any part of it, then, literally, by all means, please do.
By the way, those things, like all things, are not events inexplicable by natural laws, at all. In fact the exact opposite is True, Right, Accurate, and Correct.