Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:37 pm
Harbal wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:13 pm
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 5:12 pm
Well, THAT it was a scam is beyond question.
I would say exactly the opposite. Where there is a scam, there is a beneficiary of it, and I see no beneficiary.
If you recognize that there were beneficiaries, you'll get called a "conspiracy theorist." But the proof is there, if one is fair-minded.
Talk about being 'paranoid' here.
Why would absolutely be concerned about, or fear or worry, about being called a 'conspiracy theorist' for just recognizing, or for even just naming, those who benefited from what took place here?
Also, why is there absolutely anything wrong with just being a so-called "conspiracy theorist"? After all is from 'theorizing' things how some things come to be known to be True, Right, Accurate, and/or Correct.
Is the absolutely anything wrong, or negative, about being a so-called "particle theorist" and/or "theoretical physicalist"? After all these people are only doing the exact same thing and 'theorizing' about things as well.
Obviously, if a 'conspiracy' is being perceived to have taken place, then what is wrong with introducing 'theories', so that they can be looked at, and discussed? If people do not even begin to look at, and discuss, the 'conspiracies', which obviously 'play out' in 'this world' that you people are living in, in the days when this is being written, and which are 'played out' to 'conspire' to obtain 'more money' from you unsuspecting ones, then how else is that obviously very greedy, selfish, and Wrong of misbehaving every going to stop?
Also, could have you here been 'manipulated' to be, 'now currently', believing that looking for and/or talking about 'conspiracies', especially within governments, is some sort of 'bad' or 'negative' thing to do?
If absolutely anyone 'fears' or 'worries' about being called a "conspiracy theorist", then could have this 'fear' and/or 'worry' have been 'conspired' to be within 'you', so as to stop 'you' looking at and discussing 'them' and what 'they' are doing 'behind your back', as some might say here?
These are just some things to think about and consider anyway.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:37 pm
One obvious place to find a group of people who were delighted with the COVID crisis was at the WEF. They actually published a book titled, "COVID 19: The Great Reset," in which they proposed it was a wonderful opportunity for Western societies to line up behind a universal socialist agenda. And that's not a "conspiracy theory" -- I have the book right here, if you ever want to know what it says.
What does it say?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:37 pm
They were thrilled. They were delighted. They called the crisis, "an unprecedented opportunity to reimagine our world," that we should "take advantage of."
And what do you think is better?
Do not take 'that time' to just chill and relax, spend more time at home with family and/or with friends, enjoy 'the world' without the hustle and bustle in an attempt to just try to make 'more money' only, and/nor to just consider what it is that you really want in Life nor where you are going in Life, or instead hurriedly speed up and want the demise of 'that time' so that you can quickly go back to work and 'make money', not necessarily for you but more so for the bosses, the families, royal or not, and/or for the governments, like a True "capitalist" would?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:37 pm
They revelled, "the possibilities for change and the resulting new order are now unlimited and only bound by our imagination." (Their words, C19:TGR, 19) They compared it to "The Black Death" (their term, again), and claimed it gave them practically unrestricted license to reshape the world order to their tastes...as long as they could capitalize on the panic. You can read it all yourself, if you care to.
Sounds like they were just suggesting to 'take some time' and just 're-consider' 'life and living' and what they are really about.
But, then you do have a very particular and very specific way of looking at, and seeing, things correct "immanuel can"?
But do not feel to alone nor left out as every other one you adult human beings looks at, and sees, things in the exact same individual way, based solely upon each of your own pre-existing individual beliefs and presumptions, alone, as well.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:37 pm
There were others who had motives, too. But again, mention them, and the first charge against you will be "conspiracy theory."
Again, where or why do you think you have obtained and are keeping this 'concern', 'fear', and/or 'worry' for, exactly?
Also, if you can produce a 'theory', which you could actually back up and support, with actual proof, like I can and have, then you have absolutely nothing whatsoever to be 'concerned about', 'fear', nor 'worry', at all. Exactly like I do not have.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:37 pm
For example, if you point out that the COVID crisis was used in order to destabilize, expand and corrupt normal voting procedures in the last US election, which they certainly were, you'll be a "conspiracy theorist" again.
But did the 'crisis', itself, actually do what you claim here?
If yes, then just provide the actual proof.
Or, was it just more like adult human beings 'panicking', which was itself that caused some sort of disability in what were previously considered so-called 'normal voting procedures' in that one and only tiny little country Falsely and Wrongly called the "united states of america"?
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:37 pm
I see no reason to think that the various authorities involved in managing the situation were doing anything other than attempting to deal with a perceived crisis to the best of their ability.
Even when they collectively wrote and published books that said the opposite?
And even if I suspected that my government had some sinister ulterior motive, it would be a remarkable coincidence if governments all round the world just happened to be similarly motivated.
If you even suspected that, you'd be a "conspiracy theorist." See how that little meme works?
And look at and see just how indoctrinated and influenced these adult human beings, back then in the 'olden days', had been to perceive, presume, and/or belief things, which were totally False, Wrong, Inaccurate, and/or Incorrect.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:37 pm
So there were other reasons; and I have ideas about what they might have been, as do many others...but nothing we can prove beyond all possibility of doubt.
So what are those ideas?
I've suggested one already...and provided specific proof, above.
Once again, this one still believes, absolutely, that 'the way' that it looks at, reads, and sees 'things' is the only one true and right way.
The laughingly called 'specific proof' is nothing more than its 'own take' on things, which could be the exact opposite of what was actually meant and intended, for example, in the writings of 'that book' here being referenced.
Adult human beings, back then, really had not yet fathomed and comprehend that to have obtained 'actual proof' one needs to have sought out and gained and obtained 'actual clarity', first, and foremost.
Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Sat Jan 13, 2024 7:37 pm
But I think we need to move this to a dedicated thread, if you care to pursue it further. Here, the topic is Israel, I would say.