phyllo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 10:44 pm
You're the one who described determinism as actors performing according to a script.
Now you don't remember. Holy shit
Right, like we haven't been around and around in regard to that as well. We watch a movie and note the actors are entirely scripted regarding what they say and do. Only in noting this we too are entirely scripted by...by what? by who?
And this is what the aliens in the free will sector of the universe note about us. We have come to embody the psychological illusion of free will in posting and reading submissions here...but they know that we were never able not to submit or read anything other than what we are compelled to.
But that's no less sheer speculation on my part because I have no way in which to demonstrate it one way or the other.
phyllo wrote:Let me refresh your mind:
But what's crucial is that, in a free will world, among our own species, the possibilities are there to choose from. Jane may or may not be aborted. But in a wholly determined universe, it is as though John and Mary and I were acting in a movie. We were directed to follow the script.
Only with nature and its laws of matter, as some understand them, everything that we think and feel and say and do is entirely scripted by, well, whatever or whoever concocted the laws of matter in the first place.
Again, nature and its laws as some
understand them. Me, I'm no less fractured and fragmented in regard to free will. All I can conclude "here and now" is that if the human brain is just more matter, then the laws of matter are no less applicable.
Instead, the truly profound mystery here is grappling with the human brain in a No God world. With God, well, He is said to be omniscient and omnipotent, right? Everything can be explained by Him, through Him. But in a No God universe? "Somehow" the universe itself pulled it off?!!